Yeah the stuff from the flush gets aerosolized, and if your a male and stand up to pee the splashback gets all over your shoe and pants, yeah yuck I know! Have you never flushed while still sitting on the water closet? wow feel the rush, have you never had a droplet from the stool pop out and nail you in the face? Have you? have you not or have you just not noticed.

Yeah society is becoming less and less civilized as time passes just look at how people drive to justify this!

While you can obtain data that sanitizing has made us more healthy, (i.e. when we clean we don’t get sick as often) as I stated above is clearly and unarguably true on the small scale. Within community and community groups. So yes it could stand to reason that it takes more and more cleaning and sanitizing to protect a more and more susceptible population.

Or even if you look at my third reference below it talks about transmitting MRSA via not using proper sanitization techniques, Well had we not created MRSA to begin with then it wouldn’t be a problem would it?

However when you look at reality the incidence has increased. Here is one small article supporting that fact that food bourn illness has increased in the last decade, they present some reasons as to why none however mentioning the susceptibility of populations to certain organisms increasing. http://www.aces.edu/dept/extco.....l6a01.html

Here is more support for the fact there is a rise. Certainly you wouldn’t argue that we are less clean today than we were 100 years ago?

http://www.afic.org/What%20you.....llness.htm

And as I stated the aids example was for illustrative purposes only. As far as aids is concerned the virulence of aids has indeed increased at least 2 times since its discovery. This is due to exposure of the virus to populations not due to populations changing. So you see there is a two fold exposure one to the pathogen and the other to the victim of the pathogen.

If you really want to debate this please bring verifiable facts and documented sources to the table instead of using mudslinging tactics such as “is simply not accurate.”

Certainly I understand my argument is counter intuitive, may be really iritating to some, disgusting to other but, I want my antibiotics and a clean environment as much as anyone else. The degradation of human immunity and the strengthening of pathogenic organisms in our world today are undeniable facts, with definitive causes.

You have heard of MRSA haven’t you? This is methylcillian resistant staff aureus… just one of the many creations our over use of antibiotics and disinfectants and sanitizers have created. …….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....cus_aureus

Overall, sanitation and cleanliness has made us more healthy, not less healthy on the whole. Certainly there are diseases that are more infectious because of adaptations, but claiming that “In other words when you look at the charts (no not Al Gores charts) when we get into requiring more and more sanitizing the infiltration of disease increases on the large scale,” is simply not accurate.

Your claim that AIDS developed because of the germaphobic nature of society (and the implied sanitizing) is simply incorrect.

Again, you can throw around the words of immunology and attempt to connect concepts together, but your response doesn’t support your original claims and probably wouldn’t pass muster on even the most basic college immunology quiz.