This one is so simple Ana,

Colonel Harland Sanders
Dave Thomas
Bill gates
Conrad Hilton
J. Paul Ghetty

Just to name a few. Don’t understand then read their bios.

I did a search and can’t find where Dan said “A HELL LOT MORE THAN JUST BETTER[ing] THEIR LIVES” Please elaborate!

“Questions of class warfare aside, there is no evidence that there is a significant problem with welfare cheating. In 1991 less than 5 percent of all welfare benefits went to persons who were not entitled to them, and this figure includes errors committed by the welfare agency.”

You can not accuratly state this as most of those who receive benefits illegally are never caught I know several myself (I should turn them I right).

$7,041 yeah thats out of my pocket. I know people making far more than this from government programs and not just a few lucky folks either!

“The typical welfare recipient remains among the poorest members of society” And so they Should!!!!

“I don’t need a freaking book to see that all those people working in the fields and working in these blue collar jobs (yes, illegally HIRED BY the AMERICAN company) are not US citizens. WHO else is it that you are really convinced fills these jobs???? ”

Ana for your information I, a white middle/upper class american male have myself worked in these fields. So have much of my family. So just ump right on down off your high horse on that one!

“When did it become a WRONG to desire to help your family, be where they may be???? ” When it involes breaking the laws of your country or other countries is has been wrong as long as those laws have existed! Again Ana jump down off your high horse and join reality crime is crime no matter who commits it when or where.

“Hell I blame any President that has not supported educational programs, poured money into the schools for the sake of the student which is the FUTURE of this nation.”

We in the USA spend more on education today than our entire federal budget was in the 80’s. Money spent does not equal equality of education. And education alone does not eliminate poverty.

Ana answer this one. If our country (USA) is so courrupt and our leader are so horrible and we are and manipulative then why does everyone in the world including Mexicans want to come here?

“Think about if your anger really is focused on wrongs done to this country or the Mexican-American population becoming the dominant.”
I really don’t care who the dominate peoples are there are lot of great mexicans etc. I however love this country and will not stand by and let it be taken over by the likes of Mexico who can not even manage a richer country than america. I like my capitilist country where the hiltons and sanders have the ability rise an empire out the trunk of thier car.

Ana, now your seam to be pretty intelligent so surely you realize labor is a commodity. It is sold to the highest bidder by the seller and it purchased as economically as possible. When supply is high its a buyers market and they name their price. Ie. when Illegal aliens flood the country the buyers are allowed to name their price. (note with illegals it increases risk with lowered price as well). You can’t just go blame the employeer. If I can get someone to do twice the work at half the pay and do it better why would I pay double. Im sure you go to the shops and buy the most expensive bottle of milk just cuzz you think thats what is right?

Now Ana Ill agree Dan does not seem to be too coherent in what he sometimes says he seems to be fighting the right fight.

I will not even dignify your discussion on race/ racism/ and discrimination as it is all definition and semantics.

I must say Ana you go to prove my point even more see your calling me out on a typo or spelling error and that is all you have. You have no intelligent conversation to refute what I say. Plain and simple if you did you would bring It. I can tell you have the forthwithall to go get it and present it.

Yes I do believe that’s what I’m saying! Obviously, Dan, you don’t understand that power goes hand in hand with wealth. Let me ask you, how do you expect an poor person to move up from a blue collar job to a white collar job when they need the immediacy of a job to SURVIVE and weren’t able to finish their education?? (usual profile of illegal worker)

I guess in a way I AM justifying it to some extent.

Hmm. Once again you love to GENERALIZE. It’s inaccurate to say THEN illegals had hard working intentions and that in the most recent years they don’t. That’s just unreasonable. I’m not denying that SOME are taking advantage in a negative way without doing their part, but for you to say ALL is not true.

What I’d like to know is how claiming children that don’t live here in the US helps them make “A HELL LOT MORE THAN JUST BETTER[ing] THEIR LIVES” as if government aid (even by trying to cheat it) can really be enough to help someone get wealthy (as I’m sure you are asserting).

“Questions of class warfare aside, there is no evidence that there is a significant problem with welfare cheating. In 1991 less than 5 percent of all welfare benefits went to persons who were not entitled to them, and this figure includes errors committed by the welfare agency. (1)

Nor are people getting rich off welfare. The two largest welfare programs are Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and food stamps. In 1992, the average yearly AFDC family payment was $4,572, and food stamps for a family of three averaged $2,469, for a total of $7,041. (2) In that year, the poverty level for a mother with two children was $11,186. (3) Thus, these two programs paid only 63 percent of the poverty level, and 74 percent of a minimum wage job. There are other welfare programs, of course, but they either pay a minuscule fraction of these two programs, or, if larger, are collected by only a small percentage of welfare recipients. The typical welfare recipient remains among the poorest members of society.”

1. Figures provided to the 1994 Green Book, U.S. House Ways and Means Committee, by the Administration for Children and Families, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
2. AFDC figures from U.S. Social Security Administration. Food Stamp figures from U.S. Department of Agriculture, “Annual Historical Review of FNS Programs” and unpublished data.

3. . U.S. Bureau of the Census, Poverty in the United States, Series P-60, No. 185, 1993.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarequeen.htm

Concerning crops, how much lower do you want the prices? Wal-Mart and all those other companies that exploit the illegal immigrant cannot afford to make those tomatoes and other fruits you buy at such a low price if they paid these illegal workers their overtime, their health benefits that they earned from their hard put in hours day in and day out!!! I don’t need a freaking book to see that all those people working in the fields and working in these blue collar jobs (yes, illegally HIRED BY the AMERICAN company) are not US citizens. WHO else is it that you are really convinced fills these jobs???? The American who is provided with public education, though not always decent, but better than the ones in Mexico?

When did it become a WRONG to desire to help your family, be where they may be???? Obviously someone with the ambitious desire to make something of themselves more than likely desires to aid their family financially. Since they don’t participate in an individualistic culture like the American and instead have strong family ties, it is not unusual or a big surprise that they send money to their native country.

If you are trying to blame the ILLEGALS for having so much money being sent back (which in the specific case you described would more than likely come from selling drugs) I’d like to remind you WHO it is that is BUYING these drugs… the AMERICAN people. I’m not too sure how that turns into an issue of being illegal more than an issue about the drugs. The drugs will find their way in one way or another.

I wouldn’t be surprised that WHERE YOU LIVE these SPECIFIC farmers probably do receive their money from drugs as you imply, but once again it’s the AMERICANS that buy these drugs.. what exactly do you have a problem with? That someone is being offered drugs? (They’ll find themselves into the hands of the American people somehow) or that its an Illegal that gets to make all that money?

Of course we have so much poverty!!! Who would be so ignorant as to deny this? Hell I blame any President that has not supported educational programs, poured money into the schools for the sake of the student which is the FUTURE of this nation. You wipe away poverty when you educate your citizens.

And your concerns of Illegals ripping off the American economy should instead be directed at US officials that take advantage of their positions to make themselves and their buddies rich off a war that you, me, and our children will be paying for! (namely Bush)

Well since you know so much about the drug trade, gang population, and crimes of illegal peoples….. enlighten me : ) (not really) but I do enjoy how you pretend to insult how “educated” I think I am.  Especially when you misspell so much. 

Well the American is risking his or her life at the hands of CORRUPT government and drug men. That’s not to represent ALL the same people that come here and are looking for work. They are two separate groups, one which can’t make something of themselves in their own country (hard working poor) because of the second group which monopolizes and wrongly controls the wealth of that country (drug men/corrupt part of the government).

I’m so sure the SAME government that cannot AID its OWN people and empower them would give a damn about how they treat another country.

Hmm. That wouldn’t be racist. That would prejudice . I think you are rather racist and not only prejudice because in talking about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS that should include the Asians and others as well but your complaints seemed aimed at the Mexican/ Latin community. I guess you have some reason, considering that’s where your experience with illegal immigrants begins.

The only excuses I’m finding are excuses to have a reason to display hatred.

Think about if your anger really is focused on wrongs done to this country or the Mexican-American population becoming the dominant.

If its to the wrongs and injustices done to this country, there is SOOO much more than Illegal Immigrants to worry about, and besides this, that’s not even the place to begin.

@ Randy

I’m sorry about the fact that you cant have your job anymore. I’m sure they don’t enjoy living 9 to a house. Getting paid less is a sacrifice I guess they are willing to make. That sounds like two sacrifices to me. I think your anger is being wrongly directed at the OTHER HARD WORKERS like yourself instead of the employer who is not paying the job what it deserves (and this is why these jobs are being sucked up) I don’t’ see where they become assholes???

@ Dan

Any person with any sense knows that when RACE is related in the discrimination it is referred to as RACISM. Mexican to Americans or Americans to Mexicans (Fill in the blank Race to Fill in the blank Race) Racism falls under the umbrella of DISCRIMINATION so both are accurate, racism being more ( in this case).

-Discrimination being treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category ( in this case, race) to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.

-Racism being hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I really doubt the Mexican is insulted at you defining them as Mexican. The problem is that you wrongfully smudge the “MEXICAN” name. THAT’S THE PROBLEM!!!!

Haha. Some things you throw out there do your argument no good as you fail to elaborate or make any sense i.e. “facist” or “extremist” sentence. That person that told you that was not wise at all and clearly doesn’t understand the concept of private property.

that was really rude of me!!!! i thought you said “Go TO mexico”

Second, SHAWN it’s pretty damn ignorant to think that ALL MEXICANS are as you stereotyped (criminals). I’m sure you would think its inaccurate for me to categorize you as a useless drunk just because you’re of Irish descent or even your great grandparents who are Irish. obviously, I’m smarter than that, and you, too, should be smarter than to categorize all Mexicans as criminals!!!

@Mark, once again trying to sound intelligent but failing miserably when calling out people!! “can not argue on an intellegent level” hmm…. I can’t remember the last time intelligent had three E’s. But, thats not the point. You’re extremely biased in taking some information (which is natural) but still you should wish to be open to listen to all sides when arguing! It’s not as simple as categorizing Mexicans all into one group and all other immigrants are somehow the only productive ones.

@ Hilary- shut your mouth. that was just pointless and unnecessary.

@Dan.That is too retarded, once again to stereotype. I dont know if I mentioned this before but my dad was a damn illegal. He freaking crossed the desert, got deported many times, but continued to try to come here to make something of himself before I was ever born. He succeeded and is now a US citizen. The process is much harder and longer than you expect. (If they want to come here to make money which they dont have, how can they pay all this money to try and become citizens and figure out all that registration process??? Its a system that works against them)
My dad’s persistence and determination does not reflect stealing, lack of integrity, dishonesty, drugs, or sloth. He is hardworking and that work ethic has been passed on to my sisters and me. I can honestly say I am part of the more ambitious and smarter people of my class at my university. At one point, someone in your ancestry was an immigrant.Don’t be so hasty to judge immigrants and their work ethic if you know nothing more than what the racists tell you.

@ Miguel. I enjoyed your wisdom

RIP OFF THE GOOD OL U.S. OF A.
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