I love you decorating shows, I purchased upgrade to my sarellite to get you programs.
My complaint is “why does it seem you have so many gay couples on your shows”. Don’t you realize their way of life is being pushed down our throats by your constant highlights and obvious gay couples. We Christian and other Religions, do not want that type of life style showed as normal behavior.
My children ask why are those women holding hands? Or, why are those men sleeping in the same bedroom? I don’t know if your high officials are gays or not. But, It does seem like you are promoting that type of living as normal. It’s not normal, and I’m not quoting you the Bible, you know its not normal.
Please try to be more discreet if you feel you must show gays. I personally and my friends all feel the same.
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Hi! Not really a complaint, but an observation.
Why don’t you require all of your home improvement shows involving a kitchen remodel to recycle the old cabinets to a needy home in the community? I cringe when I see the demo team and homeowners sledgehammer the heck out of perfectly serviceable cupboards!
Thanks, Lisa Hart
Lisa Hart on July 5th, 2008 at 6:50 am | Link
If you don’t like the content, CHANGE THE CHANNEL!!!!! Also, try a English or spelling class.
Why do we have to put up with these left wing christians trying to run and perfect everything about American life? Everyone is not a christian! Everyone doesn’t believe in your way of life so why force it on us?
What do you tell your children when you are watching “straight” couples getting it on on more public networks?
Many of the producers and writers of HGTV have “alternative” lifestyles. Maybe you should let your children watch Ti and see how drug abusers end up. Is that more acceptable for your family?
Jonny, yes I am gay and hold hands with my husband, we are married!!!!!!
Jon on July 7th, 2008 at 8:51 am | Link
Ummm, I was just thinking about gay and lesbian content on HGTV this very morning. I wasn’t so much thinking I don’t want to see that content (although I am a Christian, but I feel like no sin is greater than the other and since we all sin, there’s very little point in judging someone because their sin is more apparent). Really, I was thinking, is HGTV going out of their way to be gay-friendly? I was contemplating the design star finalists and thinking how freshing it was that the male contestant isn’t overtly gay. He could be gay, he could be straight, or he could be some odd brand of individual who prefers the affection of veggies or something. Whatever he is, it really has nothing to do with his ability to design a home or host a show. So, that got me thinking about the former winner, Mr. Over the Top-Color Splash-Man. He seems like he goes out of his way to remind you that he’s gay in his episodes, adding on the extra bit of stereotypical gayness every time. So, my concern with the gay and lesbian content of HGTV is more that it seems some over-compensation in order to pander to those communities and the fact that the number of examples seems slightly disproportionate makes me wonder if they’re not targeting the audience because the stereotype is that gay men love all things fabulous, and that includes fabulous home decor. I could be wrong, but I figure it’s worth voicing, if only to have my question answered with a “no” so I can stop contemplating it.
Jaqueline on July 31st, 2008 at 9:04 am | Link
David is gay, that’s the way he acts, look at Clay Aiken, he is a product of what he thinks America wants, living a closeted life because he is afraid his career will be over if he truly states who he is. Would you want your friends or family to lie to you and then you find out they are someone you expected them not to be? People that watch these shows containing “gay” characters and complain should just as well be watching XXX porn and then saying, “the action is disguisting or I was repulsed”.
I couldn’t agree with Jon more, if you don’t like what you or your kids are watching, push the channel up/down or turn the power off. Simple fix!
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lolita on August 17th, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Link
Have any of you watched MTV or VH-1 lately, hard to believe this garbage is even allowed to air on tv.
Funny what we’ll tolerate!! Wake up USA.
Maurice on October 29th, 2008 at 10:34 pm | Link
OMG! Somebody’s complaining that a television network dedicated to interior design is “too gay”! Seriously, I think you need to just change the channel, go outside, and maybe get a breath of fresh air sometime,…
Cashman on November 3rd, 2008 at 9:28 am | Link
Tell me about it, while they are at it they should get rid of blacks, hispanics, asians and INTERRACIAL COUPLES (sarcasm). Get over yourself. If you don’t like it, change the channel! It is a home decorating channel for God’s sake! Of course you are going to see gay couples/individuals. Maybe you should watch Discovery Health instead and see if they have a show about how to remove the stick out of your ass.
Naynay on November 3rd, 2008 at 7:14 pm | Link
WOW! I didn’t know that the folks from the Westboro Baptist Church were fans of HGTV!
Meat on November 25th, 2008 at 1:46 am | Link
I don’t watch HGTV any more, or buy from their advertisers. Promoting the Homosexual life style is not good for America. It’s a prime example of telling a lie long enough it somehow becomes true. The lie? The lie is that this sexual devience is normal, natural and moral. I don’t think it is. The principles might as well change the network to the “home and gay” network!
coolbrz on December 21st, 2008 at 8:38 pm | Link
I realize that most of you are saying 10 percent of the nation is gay. So my question is are the people doing the shows and the people on the shows 10 percent gay? To give the nation a percentage fare to what is in the nation or is this another its okay to have BET but, not WET. Why does everyone have to be so BOO HOO ME? Just be what the world is. You have the right to choose what you want to watch. The right to complain about what you want. Just give me a balance in the world comprable to the world. Oh and if you are still going heavy on the gay. Please go more for the hot gay chicks please.
paul on January 9th, 2009 at 5:58 pm | Link
I 100% agree with too many homosexuals on HGTV. I have watched this network since the beginning and since homosexuals are only 10% of the population, if that, why are so many on this network! Once I get my husband to sit down and learn something what happens? Three back-to-back shows featuring homosexuals. Needless to say, out the door he went. Get with it, HGTV. 90% are straight.
Beth on March 3rd, 2009 at 2:01 pm | Link
Hmmmm…. that explains why I left my wife and kids and became a homosexual militant. All that watching if HGTV has rubbed off on me. Must have been some sinister subliminal messages in the video.
When will you religious haters (in ALL religions) get over it and let people enjoy the freedoms you do? Why use all your emotional resources to hate people 24/7 when you can embrace them as HUMANS instead?
You act as if HGTV shows videos of homosexuals having sex! Idiots.
Scooter on March 4th, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Link
In response to Jon’s comment several posts above:
You are a dumb ass. Christians are not “left wing”. They’re “right wing”. Its you gays who are leftist…get it right. You of all people should know that. Homosexuality is a SIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nick on March 18th, 2009 at 10:20 pm | Link
It is a sin - according to who? Not some religious cult… not some book like Mein Kampf or the King James Bible. According to who? And if it is, good. Don’t yo do it. Leave others to enjoy their lives. Don’t be so insecure about your masculinity. It is true that those who hate homosexuals the worst, are in fact, closet homosexuals. What you SHOULD hate are the millions of horrible, hurtful things said and done to other people, day after day. But I guess that stuiff isn’t sinful, is it!
Homosexuals are NOT 10 percent of the population. They are 2.1 percent. The homosexual community would like you to think they are 10 percent of the population to make pushing their agendas easier. Even San Francisco, arguably the homosexual capital of the U.S. is only 2.9 percent homosexual.
edmund on April 11th, 2009 at 12:27 pm | Link
The Internet has been taken over by homosexuals, so I estimate they are some 25% ofteh population.
babygrrl1991 on April 17th, 2009 at 1:42 pm | Link
I’m watching HGTV now and yes there is a fairly large percentage of gay designers and gay couples profiled. But as someone else mentioned above, what do you expect for a channel related to home/garden design? I don’t like to be stereotypical but you have to assume there is a reason why there is a sizeable percentage of gays in design, theatre, the arts, etc. Or for those that complain about the “overly gay” behavior why is there a set of traits that is identified as “gay”? Maybe, just maybe, homosexuality is genetic and not a “chosen” behavior as many (including many Christians) would like to believe. Of course homosexuals like anyone can’t be pegged to any one stereotype but how can people not see that homosexuality is a predetermined set of traits like benevolence, or shyness, or red hair, or whatever? I know a 5 year old boy who acts very effeminate, loves dressing up, likes to play with girls, etc. His father is not what I would call happy with it and you can’t say 100% that the boy is gay but his father assumes he is and loves him. If this 5 year old turns out to be gay, there is no way I can say that he made a conscious decision to be the way that he and how could you call a sweet child born a certain way a “sinner”.
squig on April 21st, 2009 at 5:58 pm | Link
The reason so many gay people are shown on home interior/gardening/beauty/art/theatre/etc shows is because they are the only ones with the talent to make everyone else look good. Come on people this is 2009, enough with the hating. Vanity is a sin.
irocnroll on April 29th, 2009 at 5:54 pm | Link
A sin? According to whom? According to which hateful book of fables (bible)?
scooter on April 29th, 2009 at 7:41 pm | Link
Edmund,
San Francisco is 15.4% gay according to the 2000 Census. Learn to Google dumba__ before you make stuff up.
milwaukeewi on May 31st, 2009 at 7:25 am | Link
You gay people are always trying to pump your gay numbers up. San Francisco is, as of 2008, 2.1 % gay. If you Google, use more than one reference dumba___
edmund on May 31st, 2009 at 10:09 am | Link
HGTV first of all should be based on the talent of the designer and what they can bring to the network, not the sexual orientation of the designers. Personally I LOVE David B.. His show Color Splash is unbelievable. He has so much talent and his team has great chemistry. Agreeing or disagreeing with homosexuality is a personal issue and should not be brought to the forefront of whether or not a show is produced. It should be about talent, not the orientation. Everyone has personal beliefs and you can’t please the everyone. I’m a Christian, I don’t condone homosexuality, but I’m not going to condemn a homosexual’s design simply because he’s homosexual. Again, it’s a talent issue. This is a design network. Go David’s Color Splash!
Mrsl on May 31st, 2009 at 12:34 pm | Link
Edmund,
Project much homo? Just because I know how to use a computer doesn’t make me gay. Get over yourself and learn how to research.
I also agree with Mrsl, someone’s talent should dictate if they have a show or not.
milwaukeewi on June 1st, 2009 at 4:21 am | Link
Let me guess the women with all problems with the gays must live in a mostly white, male-dominated world that is scared that someone on TV may be living a different lifestyle then she is accustomed to. She probably has never met another gay person either. I bet she cringes every time a black person flashes across the screen, its probably really annoying that we have a black president too. The truth is she and all her hateful friends are homophobic because they have never taken the time or been given the opportunity in their small world to understand their own sexuality and why it makes them feel uncomfortable whenever they look at another woman a little to long or longingly. Well the point is people like you will never win with your homophobic ways. Its not very holy to hate others. Who died and made her god deciding if gay people were allowed to pick out fabric on television together. Truth is gay people are fashionable, they belong on HGTV and chances are the reason why the show is sooo popular and stylish is because there are probably a few gay people responsible for that. I can’t believe she would take the time out of her busy life of children and a family to worry about what the gays are doing on television. Listen honey you dont have to turn on the tv to see what the gays are doing, they are all around you. In your neighborhood, probably teaching your kids in school. I would home school your children so they are not exposed to homosexuals, because afterall, its contagious…trust me they can catch it!!!! Kinda like the swine flu, but there isnt any cure for this disease!!!! Maybe you should move out of the country so that you wont have a chance to screw up the next election. Either way if you don’t want any more negative comments made about you, then please refrain from making them about me and “my people”. Thank you
Karen Wrisely on June 5th, 2009 at 3:16 pm | Link
I love our black president. I think he is this country’s best since Lincoln. I adore Obama. I do, however, think gay people are sick and I do not enjoy seeing men act like women. I find them quite disgusting.
Alberta on June 5th, 2009 at 5:50 pm | Link
Homosexuality is of course, a sinful, disgusting, shameful thing in the eyes of many. Trying to make it seem “normal” will never happen. Gay “pride” is a myth. Being gay is not normal, and never will be. You don’t have to be in a cult or be a hater to feel that way.
Darrius on June 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pm | Link
Normalcy is a myth. There is no such thing… There are societal, and community norms, but these are just based on what is deemed acceptable behavior. You don’t like the idea of a homosexual couple, then fine, don’t date someone of your own gender, but don’t tell them they aren’t normal for loving someone. You have no control over who you fall in love with, or who you are attracted to, I don’t care if your straight, gay, black, white, hispanic, or a freaking alien. You fall in love with who you fall in love with, and love isn’t an emotion or feeling, it’s a gift, that everyone should have the right to give, and receive. You talk about a homosexual agenda, but there is no agenda… other than love.
If you want to take something so pure and beautiful, and pervert it by calling it wrong or immoral then you are the one with the agenda.
The Bible says that sodomy is wrong, and it’s reference is to greed.
No where does The Bible say that love is wrong, as a matter of fact, if you’re Christian, it’s what Christ died to protect.
Becca on June 18th, 2009 at 9:24 am | Link
Darius you are wrong of course.I find nothing sinful, shameful or disgusting about being gay. Gay Pride is hardly a myth-just ask the millions of gays and lesbians around the country who live and love openly without guilt ,fear or shame. The only sin I see here is one of stupidity committed by you and other bigots.
robert ryan on July 20th, 2009 at 3:10 pm | Link
YOU find nothing sinful, shameful or disgusting about being gay, but I certainly do. If I am wrong, it’s in the eyes of the homosexual police. I am also with the majority of people around the world. Applying a word like “gay” to homosexuality makes it no less vile.
Darrius on July 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pm | Link
While surfing i landed on HGTV and within 10 minutes i had to change the channel and never been back. Everyone has a right to agree or disagree with how HGTV runs their programing. I chose to block that channel so my kids are not exposed to gay’s and interracial couples in my own house. I dont care what other people do as long as they dont do it in front of me or my childern. So does that make me a racist because i cant stand the site of gays or interracials displaying their affection for each other in public? Oh well if it does, not like they love my race all that much anyway. I moved to a gated community to raise my children around people with the same values. I am happy that those gays and interracials now have their own channel, so they cant complain about that anyway. Gay marriage… That just makes me Laugh. So since anyone can marry anything now i guess i should propose to my dog so i can get her on my medical plan…Damn Vet bills are a killer.
Whatever on July 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pm | Link
1. Real gay men don’t watch HGTV - it’s really meant for straight people with no taste whatsoever.
2. If you find gay men so offensive, just remember, we spend a lot more time tolerating you than than you will ever spend tolerating us.
3. Should you keep calling it a culture war, we may be so inclined to take you for your word and start running you down as you march out of the WalMart with your six children from three different marriages.
4. In reference to the percentage of the population that is gay, take that little number in your head and then do this: go on craigslist in the men-seeking-men section and count the number of straight married men who are trying to hook up with each other or any guy they can get their hands on - you’ll definitely get a good shock!
nick campbell on August 15th, 2009 at 9:33 pm | Link
I don’t have a problem with gay designers, show hosts or any other regulars on HGTV. Having said that, I do find it odd that many shows frequently have guests, such as on House Hunters that are gay couples. If the percentage of the national population of gays is what was quoted above, I do see an imbalance here. I’m a married heterosexual that is feeling out numbered.
Drema Bell on August 27th, 2009 at 6:26 pm | Link
First off, who are you to decide what is and isn’t “normal”? I am so tired of you so-called “Christians” trying to dictate to others what you feel is acceptable. Perhaps you should stop worrying about how others choose to live their lives and focus your efforts on being a true Christian and practice some tolerance. As far as your children are concerned, maybe you should explain to them that love knows no boundaries. Sometimes two women or two men fall in love…that’s just the way it is. That doesn’t mean that they need to fall in love with a person of the same sex, but what is wrong with them knowing that it happens?
If that is too difficult for you to muster, then perhaps you should turn the channel, return to your bubble and block out everything that doesn’t conform to your narrow-minded standards.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 7:42 am | Link
Christians do tolerate homosexuals. The Bible calls homosexuality an abomination. The 2 percent of the public that is homosexual is clearly not normal, except in the eyes of other homosexuals. Sex between a man and a woman, especially for procreation, is normal. I hope this clears it up for you.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 7:46 am | Link
By the way, I work in Hollywood. The reason you see so many homosexuals of TV in relation to the very small amount of homosexuals in the general population is because they flock to hollywood and work in the studios. Hollywood is very open to al groups and homosexuals see television and film as a way to push their agendas and make it seem as if they in high in number, even claiming 10 percent of the population is homosexual, when in reality, only 2 percent is. HGTV caters to the homosexual demographic and therefore tries to display as many as they can find.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 7:48 am | Link
The Bible is a book of myths written as a means of control. Sorry, but it’s not a rule book to life. According to the Bible, eating shellfish is a sin as well. Do you boycott Red Lobster?
Also, for the record, studies show that 1 in every 10 people is gay. That’s 10%…not 2%.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 7:57 am | Link
People who don’t read the Bible often quote Old Testament scripture as a means of trying to disprove the Bible. The New Testament replaces the Old Testament and states that shellfish is fine to eat. It also repeats that homosexuality is an abomination and that homosexuals will NOT inherit the kingdom of heaven. You may believe the Bible is a myth, and you may believe hell isn’t real, but you’ll certainly believe it when you get there.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 8:02 am | Link
And for the record, the gay population 2.1 percent, not the mythical 10 percent homosexuals like to preach.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 8:02 am | Link
BTW…the gay agenda DOES NOT exist. That’s nothing but a myth created by others trying to paint gays as evil predators. We don’t want to convert you, we don’t want SPECIAL rights…we only want EQUAL rights. I really don’t think that qualifies as an agenda.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 8:04 am | Link
The gay population is indeed 2.1. Why gay people keep trying to pump the number up to 10 percent is clearly a lie. Even at 10 % they are such a minority that there “rights” should not be taken seriously. They have every right as anyone else, except they rightfully cannot marry. Get over it. The majority does not approve. Instead of dealing with it they call everyone else names like “haters” and “bigots.” At least Christians don’t go around calling non-Christians “haters” and “bigots.” I’m really sick of all this gay stuff.
Lucas on September 1st, 2009 at 8:07 am | Link
Mark:
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I can certainly understand someone’s counter opinion when I am not being called names for my own beliefs. There is certainly a gay agenda, and it is normalize the gay lifestyle and integrate into normal society. It has been well-known and documented since the 1960s. It is particularly out in the open in the West Hollywood area of L.A. where the push is to force all TV shows and films to have at least one gay character, and to sue any public organization that doesn’t openly accept gays included the Boys Scouts of America.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 8:12 am | Link
LOL @ Lucas!
“At least Christians don’t go around calling non-Christians haters and bigots.”
No, they only choose to condemn others because of whom they love,
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 8:12 am | Link
“At least Christians don’t go around calling non-Christians haters and bigots.”
No, they only choose to condemn others because of whom they love,
Are you grouping all Christians together? Isn’t that stereotyping? And Christians are only to condemn what Christ condemns. We are to love all people, including homosexuals, for example, but condemn homosexuality which is sin. Don’t confuse the two. We are also to reach out to those who are obviously going to hell, e.g. homosexuals, and try to get them to turn from their wicked ways. You fight is not with Christians, it is with Christ, who you disagree with. A you cannot win a fight against God.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 8:16 am | Link
Henry…it looks like we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 8:18 am | Link
Mark:
We will disagree with this topic, and that is OK. I do know for a fact there is a gay agenda, absolutely in Hollywood. But God bless you, and thank you for disagreeing respectfully. I think that is how all disagreements should be tackled, sans all the name calling and claims of bigotry and hatred. I know many gays in Hollywood and I don’t hate a single one of them. But I would never vote for gay marriage.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 8:25 am | Link
The focus on that show is NOT the couple, it’s the home improvement project! While you may not agree with same sex relationships, the reason we watch HGTV, my reason anyway, is to see what people are doing to their homes, and maybe learning something that I could do in my own home! It’s so sad that people are judged by who they choose to love, and want to share their lives with! Also, if you are so against it, why watch?? There is more to see on TV..and with the vast numbers of Home Improvement shows, you should be able to find something that does appeal to you!!!
And it would be wonderful if you could tell that child that those 2 women or men are holding hands because they love each other!! This world has so much hate going on, it’s very refreshing to see people happy and in love!!! Straight couples or gay/lesbian couples!
Rene on September 1st, 2009 at 8:45 am | Link
I would like to respond to the initial comment placed here - that HGTV is specifically focusing its attention on gay/lesbian couples on purpose.
You should understand that most of the programing on HGTV is produced by local productions companies across the US and Canada. So it is not as though ‘anyone at HGTV’ is specifically doing anything other than accepting programs from various sources. I also know that finding people willing to open their homes to the kind of ‘madness’ that is involved in participating in one of the make-overs is quite difficult. I sure they are using whatever homeowners willing to take part.
If your complaint is that there are ‘gay people’ on those shows, then let me be the first to tell you - there are ‘gay people’ in the world - and you can’t escape or hide from that fact. There are also ‘gay people’ in the christian church - I know, I’m one of them. There are also ‘gay people’ in the design industry - I know, I’m one of them as well.
And for you to announce - “you are not normal” - is not true and is not, in any way, your place to say. It *is* your opinion, and you are welcome to it. I know I have no hope of changing your mind, but I’d like you to think about this -
as much as you dislike have the ‘gay agenda (whatever that may be) forced on you - that’s how I feel about the ‘christian agenda (whatever THAT may be) being forced on me. The God that I worship loves me. And you have no right to announce anything differently.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 9:28 am | Link
These are opinions. We have every right to express them, and once again, to dislike homosexual is not hate. Christianity is not forced on you. Do you a see a Christian on every TV show, or a Christian on HGTV. You wouldn’t know. That’s how the gays should be instead of spewing, :We’re here, we’re queer. get used to it.” Well, homosexuality is an abomination, many people feel that way, get used to it.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 10:01 am | Link
Henry,
Again, you and I will have to agree to disagree, as did with mark. And as tired as you must be of hearing “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it” - imagine for one moment, opening up an email early this morning that I thought was going to be about the sad state of “design” on HGTV and reading a long diatribe that basically reads - “we are christians, and you are an abomination, get used to it.” it’s a tough way to start the day. Any day.
Yes, there are christians on HGTV. There are christians in the world. I have no issue with either. You are welcome to believe and worship whatever you wish. There are gay people on TV, as there are gay people in the world. But, being told that “homosexuality is an abomination.” Frankly, that’s just kinda rude.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 10:14 am | Link
Henry,
I never seen a gay couple on HGTV screaming “we’re queer, we’re here..get used to it!”. In fact, they behave as any other straight couple does. Which is the way it should be. The only ones who make it an issue are those, like yourself, who feel it is an abomination. It really is time that those with your mindset realize that you don’t speak for all.
I applaud HGTV for taking such a progressive stance.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 10:14 am | Link
I was married for 11 years, and have 2 wonderful, well adjusted, LOVING, accepting children(14 & 11). I grew up in a small midwestern town, full of right wing Christians. In fact, I worked in a church preschool, and was very involved in my church, leading bible studies, was a youth group sponsor, in the choir, ect.. I went to college, got married, bought a house, had kids.. All of the “normal” things that were expected of me. I am now happier than I have ever been! In a same sex relationship of 5 years! My children are happier, they have very normal lives, tons of friends, and very involved in many activities.. I STILL believe in God, I STILL pray everyday(continuously, in fact), I STILL believe that I am going to heaven, I STILL read the bible, and daily devotions, I STILL go to church. Most importantly, I STILL believe that LOVE is the word used most in the bible, it is what the entire Bible is about. I will leave judgement to God. I understand the thought process and reasoning behind the average Christian’s judgement, I just pray that someday you are able to not judge, love, and accept ALL people as equals.
Heather on September 1st, 2009 at 10:56 am | Link
Ben & Jerry contibute to spreading the Gay Agenda!
http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view/20090901ice_cream_company_fetes_gay_marriage/srvc=home&position=also
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 11:37 am | Link
Heather:
That is a beautiful, well-written letter. But you are incorrect when you use the term “Christian’s judgment.” You are not being judged by Christians, nor condemned by Christians. There is no “Hate” here. Christians have an obligation to despise sin, correct? Well the Bible specifically calls homosexuality sin, as it does lust, murder, lying, etc. As you know, merely being good does not get any of us into heaven. What should be most frightening to any gay person is the New Testament specifically states that no homosexual will enter the gates of heaven. I say this in love, because I am hoping to get into heaven myself, and I am not perfect, no Christian is, and would love to have you there as well.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 11:46 am | Link
While perusing this thread, I noticed that the anti-gay vitriol is being spread by just a few individuals who, for whatever reason, must love reading their own words.
Henry, you’ve expressed your opinion ad nauseam. You are the worst kind of Christian: One who invents a platform upon which to stand and scream at the world. I can’t believe you actually think “Hollywood” is overrun by gays for the sole purpose of dominating House Hunters (which, if you count the number of straight and gay couples, comes nowhere near a dominant gay showing). I spurn your hatred and wish you would keep it to yourself.
To HGTV, I enjoy your programming very much and have taken from them a number of design elements to execute in my own house. I love the fact that HGTV does show a realistic and much welcomed balance of different lifestyles and cultures. Good work!
My biggest complaint is really about the right-wing Christians who don’t know a thing about the world. Would you create more programming to help educate them? Thank you!
George on September 1st, 2009 at 11:47 am | Link
George:
You are so typical. An opinion against yours is hate by the “right-wing” “Christian” or “Liberal media,” or some-such. Is is always someone’s else’s fault when they don’t agree with your views. HGTV does not display “balanced” programming when the population of gay people is minuscule “in reality.” I also work in Hollywood and it is overrun by gay people. Many who openly bash Christians and anyone else that isn’t gay. Straight people are called “breeders” in a very negative way by gays. And if you think men acting like women is “normal,” you are the one how is out of touch with reality.
JUdy on September 1st, 2009 at 11:53 am | Link
Judy,
“I work in Hollywood….” I live in Encino and have worked at many of the studios. Do you live in a delirium? Your “perception” of the studios and HGTV’s programming is based on your own pathetic insecurities.
Where are you working right now? I’d love to have a word with your manager.
George
George on September 1st, 2009 at 11:57 am | Link
P.S. If you can bash gays, why can’t I bash fascist Christians?
George on September 1st, 2009 at 11:58 am | Link
I have the opposite point of view - why are there so many straight couples being forced down my throat with their lifestyle on every tv show and movie.
I mean SUPERNANNY, WIFE SWAP, HGTV etc — they are just everywhere and some of them are even Christain. I find that very offensive - why should I have to listen to Religious people on television expousing their beliefs?? Shouldn’t that be private.
I have no problem with religious people - as long as they don’t shove their lifestyle in my face or try to teach my kids etc.
Your bigoted point of view is so refreshing - wave your bigoted hateful flag proudly. Then maybe I’ll do the same.
Cranky Cub on September 1st, 2009 at 11:59 am | Link
Homosexuality is an abomination and will never be accepted by not only Christians, but apparently the vast majority of the world. It is not discrimination. Gays can go into any store, walk the street, sit at any lunch counter, etc.
I am repulsed by gay people, but would never show it, therefore, I think I am quite tolerable, but certainly not sympathetic to the myth that they do not have rights.
HGTV is a wonderful network, very helpful and well-produced. However, they show far too many gay people. I still watch the shows, but am a bit sickened by the numbers of gays shown — which is WAY out of proportion. The Color Splash guy is ridiculously gay, so much so he is distracting, plus his designs are awful.
Jimmy Loo on September 1st, 2009 at 11:59 am | Link
Bravo Cranky Cub!
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 12:00 pm | Link
George, I am the manager. Cranky, do as I do, just turn the channel.
Judy on September 1st, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Link
George, you have never worked in Hollywood. If you did, you’d know exactly what I’m talking about. I see right through you. Riding through Hollywood on a tour bus does not count.
Judy on September 1st, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Link
Judy,
Everyone has a superordinate. How may I get in touch with yours?
George
George on September 1st, 2009 at 12:05 pm | Link
George:
How may I get in touch with your superordinate? You may get in touch with mine by opening the Holy Bible and reading. He will make Himself readily available to any meetings.
Judy on September 1st, 2009 at 12:09 pm | Link
LOL - this seems to have left the realms of adult conversation.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 12:10 pm | Link
Bravo Judy!
“You may get in touch with mine by opening the Holy Bible and reading. He will make Himself readily available to any meetings.”
I could not have said it any better and I have nothing against gay people, but they should at least realize that anyone who does not approve of gay marriage or actually studies a Bible isn’t evil, full of hate, a bigot, etc.
I think deep down inside, gay people must be miserable to so quickly and viciously attack people like they do.
Ammerst on September 1st, 2009 at 12:13 pm | Link
“I think deep down inside, Christian people must be miserable to so quickly and viciously attack people like they do.”
bob on September 1st, 2009 at 12:16 pm | Link
Me-thinks that George has a screw loose. Calling a superior? Get real man, this is a message board where people express opinions. Have you EVER been on a board where everyone agrees with you?
Carny on September 1st, 2009 at 12:16 pm | Link
Bob says “I think deep down inside, Christian people must be miserable to so quickly and viciously attack people like they do.”
Bob, if you could only feel the joy we do, you wouldn’t utter such a stupidly foolish statement.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 12:17 pm | Link
it never failed to amuse me that people can write “you are an abomination and doomed to hell” in the same sentence as “but, I don’t judge people” and “I”m only coming from a place of love.”
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Link
but, I am a Christian. and am FULL of God’s love for everyone. EVERYONE. please don’t limit my understanding of God by your understanding of God.
do YOU find your joy in judging others?
bob on September 1st, 2009 at 12:20 pm | Link
George has a screw loose?
How about those folks who refer to a mythical man in the sky as their superior and consider a book of myths to be a rulebook?
Now, THAT’S crazy.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 12:24 pm | Link
Being gay and thinking that’s normal and believing scientific theories that we evolved from fish that transformed into apes, the same scientific community that thought the earth was flat for thousands of years, and that species can make themselves better over time although the same scientists proved everything deteriorates, now’s that’s nuts. Simply seeing that everything in existence what created, and not believing in a creator, that’s nuts. Calling the Bible a book of myths is the easy way out for gay people. I don’t believe it so it is a myth. I don’t believe in gay marriage, does that make it a myth?
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 12:30 pm | Link
I don’t like gay people at ALL. The main reason is they are so negative, always calling people names and putting down other people. As I see it, Christian people are following the beliefs of their God. There God is against homosexuality. Gay people resort to calling others vicious names because they are not accepted into society? Gay people disgust a lot of people, that’s just a fact.
Kenneth Banner on September 1st, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Link
Oh boy…
You folks just keep getting more wacko with each post.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Link
Henry,
It was the church that spread the ‘truth’ that the earth was flat and executed scientist who said otherwise.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 12:39 pm | Link
SMW…
You silly goose! Stop confusing the issue with facts. They are so overrated! LOL
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 12:42 pm | Link
Kenneth,
I’m perplexed by the fact that you don’t seem to understand that there are gay christians.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 12:42 pm | Link
Leviticus 18:22
“Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin.”
I love gay people, but I believe the above. I think most Christians feel as I do. Hate the sin, not the sinner. Calling me names will not change my belief.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 12:43 pm | Link
Manna,
Sorry…but that’s a HUGE cop out. You cannot love someone but consider their lifestyle to be an abomination. If that’s your idea of love, then please count me out.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 12:49 pm | Link
Manna,
do you wanna play in the old testament, or the new testament. you can pick.
but, if you’re going to start quoting scripture, then SO am I.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 12:51 pm | Link
Of course you can love someone and hate their lifestyle. Do you have children? Sometimes they may not do as you’d like but you still love them, despite the pain they may cause you. And the New Testament replaced the Old Testament, so feel free SMW to post Scripture, that’s always a good thing.
I have no personal opinion on gay acceptance except to say that I value the Word of my Lord. He said love one another and I do,… and everyone certainly includes the gay community. But He has also stated to hate sin, all sin, and He clearly states that homosexuality is a sin. There is no Catch-22 involved with loving a sinner but hating his or her sin.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 1:00 pm | Link
I only asked because you opened with that old chestnut from Leviticus.
Okie-dokie :
“He clearly states that homosexuality is a sin”
By, “He” I assume you speak of Christ? I would like for you to quote the scripture FROM THE GOSPELS of CHRIST’S WORDS that backs up that statement.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 1:10 pm | Link
Certainly SMW - “old chectnut” made me smile. You have a great way with words.
I certainly mean Christ when I mention “He” and here are a few New Testament Scriptures to support my assertion that Christ clearly condemns homosexuality. But please bear in mean that Christ also said the GREATEST commandment is that we love one another.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (King James Version)
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Jude 1:7
7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Sodom was, as I’m sure you know, a city described as overrun with homosexuality, and where the term “sodomy” is derived.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 1:20 pm | Link
Also:
The New Testament agrees with and confirms the Old Testament’s condemnation of homosexuality. In the first chapter of Romans: “Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;…who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them” (Rom. 1:24-28, 32)
But again, if one is to be truly considered a Christian in God’s eyes, not our own eyes, we must love one another, because we all sin, each and every one of us, all in different ways. In God’s eyes, according to His Word, the sin of a straight person is just as sinful as the sins of a gay person, that is why we are not to judge.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 1:25 pm | Link
Manna,
I’m going to have to ask again - FROM THE GOSPELS . . . from the recorded words of our savior. Not the writings of Paul, or any of the other apostles. I want some “Jesus Said” kinda stuff.
sorry, but I been called an abomination several times today, and I’d like someone to back up that statement with the words of my Savior.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 1:29 pm | Link
*crickets*
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 1:41 pm | Link
As if you really care what Jesus says. You’ll just twist it around some sort of way. Scripture has been presented, but nooooo, only what Jesus says. The ministry of Jesus on Earth was short, the Bible is long. I’m not sure what Jesus specifically said about gay people but I know for sure he didn’t comment on everything. There’s just no dealing with you gay people.
Lucas on September 1st, 2009 at 1:49 pm | Link
Certainly.
And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)
2. “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” (John 5:46-47.)
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 1:53 pm | Link
people - for the tenth and eleventh time - you’ve dealing with a gay christian here. and a bible school teacher. and a scholar. I take the words of Christ extremely seriously. and I’m wait to see what scriptural references you have that support that statement “He (Christ) clearly states that homosexuality is a sin”
From all the chatter on here this morning, one would think that it was the subject of every sermon that Christ gave.
Still waiting.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 1:54 pm | Link
you’re the one that said “clearly states homosexuality is a sin” - not me.
the first example you give is regarding creation.
the second is in regards to the ten commandments.
try again.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 1:58 pm | Link
dear manna (et al),
jesus preached a message of love, and specifically requested his followers to not judge- what part of his message are you not understanding? please remember, that christianity is founded on the the belief in jesus and his teachings- if you don’t believe his word supersedes that of the old testament, well, that would make you *jewish* now, wouldn’t it?
bitch please on September 1st, 2009 at 2:06 pm | Link
Any Bible school teacher worth his or her salt would understand the two Scriptures provided. The first clearly deals with homosexuality and that He is against same-sex marriage. The second Scripture validates that many will not believe Jesus because of Old Testament writings that are outdated by the New Testament. Are you aware the the Word is actually Jesus?
As a Bible school teacher are you aware that Jesus is the author of all New Testament Scripture? Men such as Paul were used by God to write the Scripture. Saying Jesus didn’t say it makes the argument that since Jesus didn’t say “Do not skin cats and throw them against a pole” that is accepted to do.
Mark 10:6-8 - “…at the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife.”
Also, look more closely at this Scripture:
Matthew 19:4-6 says, “4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause (that they are male and female) shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together (a man and a wife), let not man put asunder.”
I commend you for bringing forth your argument, but if one can discern the Bible, and as you know, God says many who don’t know Him cannot discern or understand the Bible, but to those who do, this is clearly speaking against homosexuality and especially gay marriage.
Also, whoever called you an abomination is incorrect. You are not an abomination. God calls homosexuality an abomination, not the person. The person is a sinner, the sin is an abomination.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 2:15 pm | Link
I am not judging, I am relaying facts from the Bible. As I mentioned before, I love gay people. I love my children also, so I will certainly scold them or tell them if they are doing something harmful. There is a major difference between judging and correcting, as the Bible states to do. Sometimes the guilty feel they are being judged when no one is judging at all. I understand that.
It is common for a sinner to rebel against someone pointing out their sin, even if it is in love. I have had that problem myself at times.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 2:21 pm | Link
I have to leave to go to work now, but I will return to this board tomorrow. Please do not take my absence as anything other than that. If anyone has any specific statements for me, I will certainly respond to them when I get back to the computer.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 2:24 pm | Link
firstly, we’re not talking about gay marriage. that’s a separate conversation.
what you said was that Christ “clearly states that homosexuality is a sin” and you’ve yet to quote biblical text to support that statement. If your argument is that ‘the church’ is against homosexuality - that again is a different conversation . . .
You started this with your statement and have yet, to my standards, been able to support it.
As I understand our culture, people “who throw cats against poles” and not being beaten and killed for their actions. They are not being shamed into suicide by people telling them that they are against the will of God - people who wrap themselves in the pious belief that “Christ clearly states the you are an abomination.”
And whilst we’re splitting hairs . . . is you can hate the sin, but love the sinner . . . would you mind if I loved Christianity, but hated christians?
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 2:29 pm | Link
My goodness. Gay people will do or say anything, even claim to be Bible scholars to try to get approval. It’s a clear as the nose on your gay face that gay activity is a sin. This is from a person that doesn’t even go to church. Anything for you to try to make a little point so you can feel better about your gay lifestyle. Now that’s really sad and pathetic.
Breakf on September 1st, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Link
I wandered on here by mistake, but it’s the same old story apparently. Gay people trying to be accepted by any means necessary. It will never work and of course it’s a sin, man. Being a homo is a sin. So is burglary and rape. It’s all WRONG. A parade ain’t going to change that. I’m outta here.
York on September 1st, 2009 at 2:37 pm | Link
I certainly don’t feel I need your “approval” or need to justify my place on this planet to narrow minded people - nor would I expect a civilized reply from them -
I was simply having a conversation regarding scriptural text with another christian.
we seem to be at an impasse - you don’t “believe a parade is going to change” the fact that you won’t accept me . . . and I don’t believe that waving signs that say “god hates fags” makes that true either.
peace.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Link
To HGTV - Why don’t you do a show called “Handy Husbands” where married gay couples work with your staff to fix up their homes? Gay couples have just as many disagreements about household designs as do any other couple. It would be fun to observe the process these couples go through to comprise on a final solution and then see it come to life. I’d love to see it!!! Thanks for letting me express my opinion.
@Manna - The Old Testament endorses slavery. Would you care If I wrote a check to your parents/husband/wife to indoctrinate you into servitude? OMG…It never occurred to me until just now that this practice is ILLEGAL in America. I wonder why? I was so looking to own you as my property. Also, your Bible has been substantially altered and interpretations warped over time by royalty, that the meanings expressed in English versions are not really in the same context as the original languages. Also, the Bible went through several periods of extensive editing to remove books that clergy and royalty felt undermined their authority or moral code at the time. And let’s not forget that the Bible wasn’t really written down until hundreds of years after the occurrence of the so-called “true events.” To me, it’s equivalent to a Jackie Collins novel. I LOVE the juicy parts where straight daughters rape their father while he sleeps. And what about Caine and Abel (did I spell their names correctly?). WOW. Murder by straight people! Blood murder no less. I must read more of this book to learn about how the straight, religious mind works and which mental and psychological disorders they have passed onto one another since time memorial.
@Ammerst - Christians aren’t evil? Read my comments above to Manna. Your own Bible seems to address your comment better than I ever could.
@Judy - You know nothing about me. I have been working in the entertainment industry since I moved to Los Angeles. I suspect you are the one who is the fraud. But you lie so much, could we ever know and believe?
@Henry - I have Christian friends. They don’t denounce me for being gay. They embrace me and my friendship. I used to babysit their children. I was named a godparent to two of them. But, unfortunately, most of the Christians I have know in my lifetime are the type who want only THEIR faith to predominate the world, who only want THEIR morality taught in private and public venues, who erect campaigns of misinformation to con voters into believe things which are clearly not true. They thrive on fear and threats of punishment and have not an iota of love in their hearts for themselves let alone others. You, Bob, are one of these. I pity you. You create misery and it consumes you. I, on the other hand, know who I am and embrace all decent people. Is everyone perfect? No. We all lie and we all make mistakes. This is a given. But I would never consider bringing you into my fold of friends, Henry. Your behavior is unethical, immoral and self-serving. Plus you are just as bitter as Manna and Judy. What a waste of your lives to go around hating people. Very sad.
George on September 1st, 2009 at 2:59 pm | Link
Correction: I meant to write “You, Henry, are one of these” and not address this comment to Bob. Thank you.
George on September 1st, 2009 at 3:03 pm | Link
@ manna
“As I mentioned before, I love gay people. I love my children also, so I will certainly scold them or tell them if they are doing something harmful. There is a major difference between judging and correcting, as the Bible states to do. Sometimes the guilty feel they are being judged when no one is judging at all. I understand that.”
do you believe your children are going to hell? how about gay people? answer that honestly and logically, and then i’ll decide who is judging whom.
bitch please on September 1st, 2009 at 3:09 pm | Link
HGTV is great for tips, but seeing all the gay people really is sickening. Especially the couples. Don’t they know how odd and ridiculous they look? And the one gay designer that speaks with the lisp, the color splash guy, he’s repulsively gay. I watched that show once and never again.
Mary Claiborne on September 1st, 2009 at 5:42 pm | Link
This has truly saddened me. People will go out of their way to rip apart one section of people because their bible says “it’s not okay”. We are sitting on a all-but anonymous message board ripping eachother apart- that shows neither integrity nor that we really stand behind what we say.
We sit complacently while other ‘crimes’ happen. I don’t see any (gay and straight and christian alike) of us walking around holding signs protesting murder. Or the adultery that could be happening in our own homes. Or the fact that babies are dying from hunger in other countries. Or even the fact that your neighbor might be kicking his dog to death. So few of us do the right thing. I truly believe that if God is watching this mess he is thinking “Wow, this is so not what I had intended for ANY of you.” Gay people have to fight for their rights- under a government that should not have anything to do with religion. As for this board, I think we could all find better ways of making this world a better place, a less sinful place, a less hateful place. I won’t be back to check this- although I’m sure so many of you will rip me apart in my absence. I just felt compelled to say something.
Thanks.
Jamie on September 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 am | Link
If you notice, on any boards, its always the gays ripping everyone else and their beliefs, often resorting to name-calling such as “bigot” “hate-filled” etc. Mocking God and the Bible as “myths” etc. If I were a Christian I would be highly offended by them.
Jimbo on September 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 am | Link
Christianity is like all the other myths and hoaxes; dogma built around paranoia, and fear. Ways “Christian leaders” can control their sex lives, their pocketbooks, their voting habits, and more. They are among the most hateful in the world. They hate Jews, and in fact, anyone who is not in their particular denomination of Christianity.
This is NOT a Christian nation! You want to live in a theocracy? Try Iran, where they regularly execute homosexuals and Christians. Keep your hatred inside your churches.
Soit is okay for you to bash homosexuals - but they are supposed to keep their mouths shut?
Go get a blowjob from your prudish wife. Then you won’t feel so jealous!
Scooter, you are yet another person giving gays a bad name. Gays bash, bash, bash. Get the log out of your own eye before you point the log in your brother’s eye. Homosexuality is sin. Deal with it, we’re all forced to.
Jimbo on September 12th, 2009 at 9:05 am | Link
Hmmm, Scooter sounds like one of those hate-filled bigots the gays are always calling everyone.
Janice on September 12th, 2009 at 9:15 am | Link
I am a straight woman with a boyfriend and we love watching HGTV. Guess what we also love? Seeing diversity on television. It’s awesome to see gay and lesbian couples portrayed in a REAL way.
To the people bashing on HGTV and the LGBT community:
You are Christian or follow those beliefs, but THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, NOOOOT THE CHRISTIAN STATES OF AMERICA.
We having a CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS that defines our nation as SECULAR. And not ****ing everybody is Christian! Yeah, 77% of Americans are Christian (number is from 2007, so it is lower today with the number going down EVERY YEAR), but most of them are NOT EVEN CLOSE to agreeing with you.
Get the **** over yourself.
I love how so many of you are complaining about only 10% of the population being homosexual and TV featuring a disproportionate number of people (bull****, btw).
What about black people? Hispanics? Asian-Americans? Practically everybody on TV is a WASP (BET doesn’t even begin to change that, all you racists who want to pounce on me).
You all give Christians such a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE rep.
Go back to watching Fox News and leave the rest of TV for the sane people.
To all the people who commented here to defend themselves and their friends, THIS ALLY IS WITH YOU. Keep being true to yourself and know that you are loved.
Me on September 19th, 2009 at 11:58 pm | Link
Good Lord woman, get over yourself. And wash you mouth out with soap. If you’re an ally, I’d rather have enemies.
Lucas on September 20th, 2009 at 4:39 am | Link
This is not a Christian nation, no matter what your god at your church pulpit says. I don’t want to live under a theocracy. It;s a known fact that Christians are among the worst haters anyway.
This IS a Christian nation. Deal with it. If you don’t want to live here, move. Don’t you believe in tolerance?
Jason on September 20th, 2009 at 11:40 am | Link
Thank God it ain’t a gay nation, no matter how hard HGTV tries.
Mason on September 20th, 2009 at 11:46 am | Link
Ruth and Naomi
Ruth 1:16-17 and 2:10-11 describe their close friendship Perhaps the best known passage from this book is Ruth 1:16-17 which is often read out during opposite-sex and same-sex marriage and union ceremonies:
“Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God. Where you die I will die, and there I will be buried. May the Lord deal with me, be it ever so severely, if anything but death separates you and me.” (NIV)
Ruth 1:14, referring to the relationship between Ruth and Naomi, mentions that “Ruth clave onto her.” (KJV) The Hebrew word translated here as “clave” is identical to that used in the description of a heterosexual marriage in Genesis 2:24: ” Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.” (KJV)
milwaukeewi on September 26th, 2009 at 8:42 am | Link
1 Samuel 18:3-4
“And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt.” (NIV)
Since people in those days did not wear underwear, Jonathan stripped himself naked in front of David. That would be considered extremely unusual behavior (then and now) unless their relationship was physical.
milwaukeewi on September 26th, 2009 at 8:45 am | Link
Sorry, since this forum has gotten way off topic, I just had to stir it up some more. I stand by the rule that ONLY God has the power to judge. Your job is to remember to and love each other as our God loves us.
Peace out!
milwaukeewi on September 26th, 2009 at 8:47 am | Link
I love gay people, but taking these Scriptures of Naomi and David and trying to spin a homosexual angle is completed off base. Men are naked in locker rooms every day and it doesn’t mean they’re gay.
We can agree to disagree, it’s OK. But obviously, the Bible calls homosexuality a sin, clearly and simply. But rest assured, the Bible says we ALL sin, just in different forms. But gay people, please understand, homosexuality is indeed sinful and will never, ever be recognized as normal.
James on September 26th, 2009 at 8:55 am | Link
“Jeremiah 13:23: “Can an Ethiopian change the color of his skin? Can a leopard take away its spots? Neither can you start doing good, for you have always done evil.”
At least one white supremacist group interprets this passage as implying that one cannot start with a Black-White interracial couple and produce White offspring. 2 However the clear sense of the verse appears to be that if a person has habitually committed evil deeds, it is almost impossible for them to change completely and start going only good.”
So James I assume you are against interracial marriage and divorce just as much as you are against homosexuality? Can you please let me know the last time you picketed a interracial marriage? My point is that the bible is against (and for) a lot of things. Society evolves just as God intended.
milwaukeewi on September 26th, 2009 at 5:24 pm | Link
You are in error on two fronts. You are quoting an Old Testament Scripture which is replaced by the New Testament, and it has nothing to do being a homosexual and denying it is a sin
James on September 26th, 2009 at 5:29 pm | Link
By the way I can keep going with verses from the bible. It is kind of important to read the entire book, just not learn a few quotes that fit YOUR beliefs. God bless being raised Southern Baptist, and going to religious schools.
milwaukeewi on September 26th, 2009 at 5:31 pm | Link
James, please stop. Milwaukeewi presented your very own scriptures and you protest. You cannot pick and choose from The Bible. You either believe The Bible or you don’t. There is no middle ground in Christianity.
James, “me,” Lucas, and your like-kind: Thankfully, you don’t run the world. Your hate is toxic and I suspect you’ll succumb to your own poison in time.
HGTV: Love your programming, and I like to see gay men and lesbian women on your shows. But I don’t like Tatiana’s Property Shop. Not a fun show to watch. She makes me feel stressed out when I’m simply trying to relax a bit.
MooseMeat Sandwich on September 27th, 2009 at 1:08 pm | Link
And “Property Virgins’” host, Sandra Rinomato doesn’t have the personality to pull off this show successfully. I turn the channel.
MooseMeat Sandwich on September 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Link
Since it is not good to pick and choose Scripture:
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Leviticus 18:22 ESV / 15 helpful votes
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
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Leviticus 20:13 ESV / 12 helpful votes
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV / 8 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Morgan on September 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm | Link
Who wants Scripture?
You may not have sex relations with men, as you do with women: it is a disgusting thing.
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Remember, don’t pick and choose!
Chris K on September 27th, 2009 at 1:51 pm | Link
Morgan,
The word “homosexual” was only coined in the mid 1800s. Therefore, The Bible, as yours reads today, is incorrect and represents an alteration of the original writings.
I’m tired of you “Christians” referring to the Old Testament when it suits you and denying it when it doesn’t. You’ve discredited yourself, Morgan.
Smell ya later!
MooseMeat Sandwich on September 27th, 2009 at 4:24 pm | Link
Ok let’s agree this thread “Jumped the Shark” a while ago. Also, the point in sharing the quotes against interracial marriage is to show you that a belief system that was accepted as biblical , (please review history of interracial marriage) society evolved to accept interracial marriage even though you can use the bible against it. The same will happen with gay marriage as well. You can hold back the tide a little with hate speech, but it is a little too late to turn back the tide. (6 states approved and more coming)
I also have to say that cherry picking the bible is a very bitter sport. Focus your passion on adultery (top ten in the bible by the way) and divorce rates for all couples. If you did that you actually may make a positive impact.
Moosemeat, thanks for trying to get it back on track.
milwaukeewi on September 28th, 2009 at 4:16 am | Link
I watched “Color Splash” last night… the show where David has a surprise visit from his sister and brother-in-law. I don’t care that David is gay. I’m straight but I believe that being gay is okay. What I do mind very much is that David did nearly the entire show without his shirt on. His jeans were hanging down below his hips most of the time.. What is that all about? For crying out loud if you are on a national television show at least put a damn shirt on. Everyone else was dressed. It seemed like David was trying to be seductive. That is just not appropriate for a design show. The producers of the show really ought to look into that.
Eleanor Grant on October 14th, 2009 at 1:33 pm | Link
MooseMeat Sandwich:
I am by no means a “hateful” person. I just get really, really, REALLY pissed off when people try to push their view of the Bible on everyone else. I get sick of the minority of Christians (who seem to be frequenting this post) giving everyone a bad name. Call that hate if you will.
Lucas:
I politely decline getting over myself, since there doesn’t seem to be anything to get over. I also decline washing my mouth out with soap and will go ahead and pour some straight-up tabasco in there. If you’re offended by three starred-out swear words on the INTERNET, then you need to get out of your house more.
Jason and Mason:
Ohh, that’s just plain sad.
Cheer up, Care Bears. Put a smile on your face and do your own damn thing. Change the channel if you don’t like what’s on.
Me on October 17th, 2009 at 7:38 pm | Link
Religion is based on paranoia, fear, and hate. Each religion says it is right and the rest are wrong. This is not a Christian nation and I wouldn’t want to live anywhere the government is based on some religion.
It certainly isn’t a gay nation. Homosexuality is a immoral sickness.
James on October 29th, 2009 at 7:14 pm | Link
Gay people are disgusting. They are name-calling perverts. I turn off any HGTV problem with a gay person on it and I always will. To try to call what they do to each other normal is ridiculous. It will never be considered normal no matter if someone is athesist, Christian, Muslim or whatever. Calling out Christians is stupid. You’d have to call out everyone who thinks homos are disgusting freaks and that’s quite a few people. Don’t mean to upset the gay apple cart, but that’s the way it is and always will be.
Carrie on October 29th, 2009 at 7:18 pm | Link
I am a heterosexual male who happens to enjoy home design and decorating. I also enjoy hunting, fishing, football and hanging out with the guys. I think one’s chances of being born as a homosexual are about the same as being born as a pedophile. Why do some people believe that it’s okay to be gay but wrong to be a pedophile….maybe pedophiles are born that way too? The point is…your not born that way….it’s a chosen act! The environment you grow up in can certainly contribute to your choice, but it is a choice. HGTV is helping to promote the homosexual lifestyle by making it look like homosexual couples are normal…..their not! If you know anything about the birds and the bees, then you know that homosexuality is not normal…duah! As for changing the channel….yeah, I do that….a lot. Advertisers take note…..when the shows turn to gay couples; I don’t see your expensive ads. If the majority of those of us who are “normal” heterosexuals do the same, I bet we will see some programming changes right away.
Gary on October 31st, 2009 at 10:42 pm | Link
I have nothing against Homosexual; Talent is talent. My complains is not the talented designers is the families they gathered to show their homes that bothers me. It is so obvious HGTV purposely pushes the Gay Agenda by chosing in almost every show (at least the last two months since I notice) gay couples.
There are some people who I believe are truly gay; Most of the rest is a Lifestyle only. I know many who don’t even know what they like;but they enjoy both. That is a life style.
HGTV STOP STOP!!!! The lalented Gay people with his her own show is one thing; but the rest isn’t necessary. You will lose audiences. I for once will abandon HGTV because I feel insulted that they need to do this campaing. We are not stupid. We know what you are doing. Once in a while to show a gay couple is normal; but to do it daily in many shows is too obvious.
STAY OUT of this effort to brainwash people into believing this is normal. It is real life but not acceptable in every household. Stay with the businees you were created for “Home Improvement”.
Carla on November 1st, 2009 at 1:59 pm | Link
I like HGTV but why is it so gay. I mean they have so many gay people on that show. I understand that many designers are gay, that’s fine, but when they have shows like House Hunters and the couple that is looking for a house to buy is almost always gay. Come on HGTV don’t become the gay channel of cable tv. It make me want to stop watching and I do like the programming.
Steve on November 2nd, 2009 at 9:42 am | Link
It is normal. Change the channel, move on. Not your life to judge my dear.
Danielle on November 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm | Link
No it is NOT normal. All these gay people. HGTV listen up. Get all those gays off your network.
Steve on November 13th, 2009 at 5:52 pm | Link
To all those who don’t like to see gay Americans on HGTV:
SCREW.
David in Chelsea, MA on November 13th, 2009 at 6:03 pm | Link
Same to you David. HGTV is the Gay Cable Channel.
Steve on November 15th, 2009 at 7:20 pm | Link
Homosexuality is not a choice. Christianity is.
TolerantAndSTRAIGHT on November 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pm | Link
Right back at ya, Stevie boy.
This is a fun game.
David in Chelsea, MA on November 21st, 2009 at 6:42 pm | Link
testing
test on November 24th, 2009 at 9:42 am | Link
While I find much of this debate spurious, I find myself entering the fray. I do not do this anonymously, either; I am proud of who I am and what I have to say.
HGTV - remember how this mess began? - is wholly owned by the E.W. Scripps Company, which most definitely does not promote a “gay agenda” and whose chairman contributes to the Republican National Committee. In any given population, roughly ten percent is gay; HGTV’s representation of gays is comparable to this statistic.
Bringing Christianity and the Bible into the discussion is something of a red herring; this is not a Christian country and, in fact, the U.S. Constitution expressly dictates the separation of church and state. Nevertheless, I’ll give my two cents’ worth.
First, the Old Testament was originally composed in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek. Biblical, Hebrew and Greek scholars provide widely different translations to the languages, hence there are more than a few versions of the Bible. Let me repeat: the text is open to interpretation based on different translations given by different scholars.
As for the New Testament, Paul’s letters provide the only mention of homosexuality, and once again their translation produces varying results; Paul’s words in Romans 1:26-27 quite possible refer to lust. And while Corinthians condemns malakoi and arsencoites, translating those words as “homosexuality” is erroneous. I encourage everyone to read Biblical scholar David Malick’s thesis on this subject at http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/romans_malick.pdf
Finally, Christians need to realize the Bible is the product of the times in which it was written; much of the text is a treatise on Hebrew and, later Church law, dogmatic to the core.
Surely, Christians must recognize the absence of any mention of lesbianism; does this not seem a rather gross omission and a contradiction of their argument?
Until fairly recently, Christians proclaimed interracial marriage a sin, and they soon found themselves on shaky theological ground. In due time, it crumbled beneath their feet. And in due course, the condemnation of homosexuality will crumble away as well.
Tricia L. Edge on November 24th, 2009 at 10:17 am | Link
Lest anyone claim I left out that passage most often quoted in the argument that homosexuality is a sin, Leviticus 18:22, I have a few words on that issue. First, the literal translation of this verse from Hebrew is: “And with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman.” Obviously, this literal translation, like much of the Bible, does not make much sense in English. Therefore, biblical scholars have inserted words or entirely rewritten the passage in order to produce text which makes sense in English. For example, inserting the words “as the” into the line produces: “And with a male…lay [as the] lyings of a woman” which, in turn, has been simplified into “You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman.” On the other hand, inserting two different words, “in the,” produces: “And with a male…lay [in the] lyings of a woman.” In other words, two men may not engage in sexual behavior in a woman’s bed, as it was considered sacred by the ancient Israelites.
If Leviticus 18:22 is further examined in the context of the entire chapter, the modern interpretation of the verse is even less conclusive. The verse preceding 18:22 discusses the worship of Pagan gods, Molech in particular. Leviticus 18:22 is most often presented in isolation, where it may be used to represent a condemnation of homosexual behavior between males. However, considered in the context of its surrounding chapters and previous verse, Leviticus 18:22 more logically refers to some forbidden idolatrous activity in a Pagan temple, in which the Israelites must not engage.
If biblical text is going to be presented as evidence homosexual activity is sinful, then I prefer to fight fire with fire.
Tricia L. Edge on November 25th, 2009 at 8:43 am | Link
To all you homophobic Christians:
You claim to not want to expose your children to our sinful disgusting lifestyle? Well, you are teaching your children to hate and discriminate. Your religion preaches hate. The Catholic church is a bully of an organization. If you actually educate yourself on the organization you define yourself by, you will see that they have killed many people to force their beliefs. They’ve orchestrated smear campains and stolen other faiths’ idols, symbols, and rituals. They devalue women, and teach their followers that their god is vengeful and intolerant. Homosexuals are just people. Nothing about our lifestyles is hateful or perverted. You are all narrow-minded and ignorant. The god I believe in is a fair and loving god. Yours probably condemned you to go to hell a long time ago since apparently everything is a sin. We should all live by one rule: Make yourself happy without hurting others. As for HGTV, I really don’t see what’s so different about shows featuring homosexuals. Is it something about the way we decorate or renovate? Are our color schemes too faggoty or dykey? This is just the type of ignorant crap I’d expect from redneck Americans.
m-e on December 22nd, 2009 at 5:04 am | Link
Yea, whatever m-e. HGTV WAS a good network now they are nothing but the Gay Cable Network. Sometimes the gay couple appear ok but other times they are flaming. Boycott HGTV. Nothing but a bunch of gayboys.
Steve on December 28th, 2009 at 12:58 pm | Link
As a gay man I am observant of a same sex couples in a program. It is nice to see a gay couple appear in an episode. The appearances are certainly not the majority, but nice to see. There is a House Hunters commercial where the guy says to his wife (or girlfriend) “I thought they were brothers.” She replies “They are so not brothers”. That is the only commercial with any gay reference that I know of. Many of the straight couples kiss at the end of the episodes when they have purchased a house or finished a project, I have never seen a same sex couple kiss on HGTV.
The 10% figure comes from the Kinsey studies of sexuality (1948 and 1953) where 11.5 % of the males and 7 % of females had some homosexual tendencies (on a 5 point scale). Because of society pressures (like people being told that homosexuality is an abomination) many do not identify themselves as gay. - A bald man can put on a toupee, it does not stop him from being bald. Just as some one who has an attraction to the same sex and they suppress there feelings, it does not make them straight. - The percentage of people that identify themselves as gay is slowly rising because the stigma is waining. Additionally the U.S. is a melting pot and as cultures make it in to our culture their ideals do too. Homosexuality is much less an issue in Europe then in the states. The abomination reference is a Christian one, I belong to a religion that does not treat homosexuals as such and I am guaranteed that right because of the 1st amendment: Freedom of Religion.
To the question of if there is a “homosexual agenda”, absolutely. Equal to the Christian agenda, the Black Agenda, the asian agenda, the Hispanic agenda etc.. Our ethnicities all have needs and wants. The ‘gay agenda’ just happens to be a hot spot right now, like 40 years ago interracial marriages was a hot spot and it was illegal in most of the U.S.
Finally as to christian children being influenced by HGTV (First, if your 10 year old boy is watching HGTV, I think you lost that battle already). Secondly HGTV is not a close second in influence of nature and puberty. As gay kids find themselves, some will come out in their teens, some as an an adult and some not at all. But the latter group is getting smaller and smaller.
Matt Zurek on January 3rd, 2010 at 10:01 pm | Link
What a totally NON Christian thing to write…such a homophobe…i feel sorry for you. its a wonderful show and I enjoy seeing REAL gay couples get into wonderful houses that make them feel good about life…obviously you DONT feel good about your life and have to be judgemental against others…you are sad!
steve on January 24th, 2010 at 3:20 pm | Link
Jeez, where are some of you people from? My partner and I watch HGTV all the time and have occasionally seen gay couples on there, but the majority are by far straight couples. Like it or not, gay couples do buy homes, pay taxes, and do their part to keep the economy moving. If you dislike gay people, that’s your problem. My partner and I have been together in a loving and commited relationship for slightly over 30 years. We know it’s love and we know it’s real, no matter what the radical right-wing extremists have to say about it. Don’t take your freedoms for granted in this great land in which we live. If you don’t like something you’re watching on TV, change the channel. That’s why God made remotes.
Stephen on January 25th, 2010 at 2:58 pm | Link
Just curious why this has become a forum to discuss whether homosexuality is right or wrong? If you don’t agree with homosexuality and don’t like subjecting yourself to it why do enter all these websites about gay people and comment on how it is an abomination or whatever? Personally, if I think something is abominable I try to avoid it. Yet any website that mentions homosexuality, there are all these people who don’t like it leaving comment after comment. If you don’t like it hit the back button, I don’t see why these people who hate homosexuals go out of their way to comment on every website about it. Makes me think they have secrets. Anyways, HGTV is a great program with great people. We should all love each other no matter what. Isn’t that what Christ died for?
Colby on January 27th, 2010 at 9:53 pm | Link
I found the link to this complaint via a google search on “why are there so many gays on HGTV”. I made that search because gays represent about 1% of America but they are about 25% of the couples on HGTV. They are also over represented on several other channels like Bravo and Food Network. I think that all of these networks are owned by one common company but I’m absolutely certain about that.
Why don’t the gays (all 1% of them) get the GAY Channel (100% Gays 100% of the Time) and let the remaining 99% of us normal people watch normal couples and indiviuals?
Crazy
Odis on February 2nd, 2010 at 8:40 pm | Link
Odis, why do you care? Why not just enjoy the show?
Stephen on February 7th, 2010 at 1:06 pm | Link
The Gays have the Logo channel. All those gay decorating show should move to that channel. Listen up HGTV, dump the gay shows.
Steve on February 8th, 2010 at 6:26 pm | Link
Steve, they’re not gay shows. They’re shows. Try living in the real world.
Stephen on February 8th, 2010 at 6:38 pm | Link
Are lesbians able to procreate? If not, then how, on “house hunters”, is the “couple” expecting a daughter? This is a glaring example of HGTV’s slant to promote the homosexual lifestyle. How can two “women” naturally impregnate one another?
Stephen on February 18th, 2010 at 10:14 am | Link
OMG! Homosexuals are moving into the neighborhood, cleaning it up, and increasing property values. This is an outrage!
Stephen on February 18th, 2010 at 10:58 am | Link
I am watching 50,000 bathroom renovations in Albany, NY. Do you suppose the realtor could have worn anything lower to show off more boob? Why do you continue to show female realtors and home owners (actively doing renovations)with VERY low tops on. I don’t know about you but when I want to tear a wall down I don’t wear sleeveless tanks with v necks down to my belly button.
Marilyn on February 26th, 2010 at 10:56 pm | Link
Increasing property values? No way, time to move out of the neighborhood. HGTV = Gay Channel.
Steve on March 5th, 2010 at 6:17 am | Link
“People who don’t read the Bible often quote Old Testament scripture as a means of trying to disprove the Bible. The New Testament replaces the Old Testament and states that shellfish is fine to eat.”
Okay, so when the “Bible, 2nd Edition” came out it changed some of its rules, and its followers now believe in the 2nd Edition, and no longer believe in the 1st Edition. Well then. Why don’t they come out with a 3rd Edition? That way they could update it to better reflect today’s world, and they could make anything they want as acceptable.
Fin on March 24th, 2010 at 3:53 pm | Link
THOSE OF YOU WHO DONT WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO WATCH GAY PEOPLE ON TV:: move to the moon or some other far away place.
you live in EARTH where so many things can happen. your children will have a gay classmate..or your child can be gay!
what is the problem? apparently god is not doing anythign about it because they exist.
leave them alone, and go after pedophiles, after politicians, and cooporations who harm us everyday! not the gay community.
candela on March 27th, 2010 at 8:56 am | Link
Here is a better idea Candela, why don’t all the gay people move to the moon. Why should we have to see them on TV and out in public being all lovey dovey. It disgusts me to see two gay boys holding hands or embracing in public.
Steve on April 15th, 2010 at 5:41 am | Link
Fags suck, and are going to hell. Improve that!!!!
Tanya on May 6th, 2010 at 5:23 pm | Link
I really like HGTV for all the real estate shows featured. No matter what the network or show, if interior design is the topic, there will be at least one stereotypical gay man featured. Not that there is anything wrong with that! (God bless the Seinfeld writers!)
My observation is HGTV goes out of their way to show obviously gay male couples looking for places to live, mostly in some exotic location around the world. Often it is a second or vacation home. Seems like they do this in about every other house hunting type show. I have no idea where they find these gay male couples to follow around, but it does seem that HGTV is pushing some sort of agenda.
I suppose another possibility exists that gay men don’t have the financial anchors put upon a typical male/female partnership. Namely, children! The gay male couples featured on HGTV seem to be financially successful enough to be able to afford to pick up that vacation home at a relatively young age compared to the male/female counterparts who seem to be typically in their early retirement years.
The question: Are there that many successful gay male couples out there that HGTV is overwhelmed with letters from them saying, “Hey come follow us around while we look for a villa in Spain!” OR does HGTV want it’s audience to think that? If the former is true, damn me for not choosing a homosexual lifestyle early in life! Just kidding, I couldn’t be gay. Not that there would be anything wrong with it if I were!
One last question: Where the hell are all the female couples in comfortable shoes buying villas in Spain on HGTV? I understand why there are few attractive lesbian couples successful enough to be featured. Most are strippers with a drug problem. Not that there is anything wrong with that!
El Guapo on May 8th, 2010 at 5:18 pm | Link
maybe the ceo.or whatever is the term for the highest status of the channel is a homosexual.
candela on May 8th, 2010 at 5:26 pm | Link
I totally agree with the complaint. IT’S 1% OF THE POPULATION AND GAY COUPLES ON HGTV EVERY DAY?!!! Give us a break. Why don’t you just announce that you’d like to kill the nuclear family and change the name - Home-wrecking and Garden TV.
AS TO CHANGING THE CHANNEL — what’s left to watch that is “family friendly”? HGTV is supposed to be harmless. It’s homes and gardens… why the sex agenda? Because you know the homosexual agenda is not about family life, but sexual free-for-all. Next pedophilia couples?
Lisa on May 11th, 2010 at 6:42 pm | Link
http://www.adherents.com/adh_dem.html
This site states that 1.5% of the population of the U.S. self-identifies as gay, lesbian or bisexual, and the sources cited are thorough (and the sources are “gay-friendly” organizations as well)
The challenge I have with HGTV is that the gay representation is WAY above 1.5%. 1.5% for the math challenged would be one and a half guests/home-buyers/re-decorators per 100. My sense of it (without actually studying the matter) is that the representation on the network is easily 25-30%, possibly 20x the actual demographic.
This can’t happen accidentally, so it has to be agenda-driven. Either HGTV feels there is some wrong to be righted here, or they are interested in propagating the homosexual agenda. (And, as someone already quoted from Seinfeld, “not that there’s anything wrong with that”) They, and their viewers, should at least acknowledge it for what it is.
Puzzled on May 25th, 2010 at 12:45 pm | Link
while I remain that I have no issue with homosexuals ( they are not pedophiles, this is ignorant of many of you) I do think that they do over do it. Not all of us who watch the channel are gay. But in terms of fashion and decorations, gays might feel in their waters. Nothing wrong with that.
but many fashion designers who are men are gay. so what are you guys gonna do? I guess you should make your own clothes.
candela on May 25th, 2010 at 5:18 pm | Link
Candela, once again you have shown in your messages how stupid you are.
Steve on May 29th, 2010 at 6:29 pm | Link
True…everybody has a right to live how they see fit. God gives us that freedom. But, with freedom, comes responsibility, and consequence. God is not a hater..he loves people. However, he abhors the sin. If we lived in a society with no laws and no consequence, where would we be. There has to be laws..and penalties. A gay acquaintance told me that most gay people are gay because of their gay tendencies. I have had tendencies to cheat on my wife..I chose against it. Many have tendencies to steal, they decide against it. Serial murders say they gave in to their tendencies to kill…does it make it ok?God loves gay people. However, he despises their sin. If there was no consequence and penalty, he would not be a just God. A judge who will not punish those who break the law is not doing justice.A parent who does not punish children who do wrong is not a good parent. And, yes, have no doubt..there IS a heaven, and a hell. Do not fall for the lie of the deceiver, and believe his lie that hell doesnt exist. We are ALL headed there..none of us is worthy. Only through the grace of God..and the covering of sins through His Son, are we made clean. And yes, that grace covers gay people as well. Ask Christ to come into your life. He will set things straight. I dont want to make this too long. Its very simple. God makes it simple. May the truth, grace, and peace of the King touch you all.
jas on June 19th, 2010 at 2:19 pm | Link
Puke! It’s those of you who blindly support the evils of most organized religions that are destined to go to hell. The church masks its evils in a veil of faith. Jesus was a tree hugging gay-friendly hippie. You’re drunk with the appeal of fitting in. Pray for your own soul for once…you probably need it more! BTW…it’s just a TV show…get over it.
LOL on June 23rd, 2010 at 8:20 am | Link
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:27
And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
1 Timothy 1:10
The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
This is from the Holy Bible…the Word of God. After reading this, when Your day comes, You Cannot say now, that you were never told. And the day will come sooner than you know or want. Its up to you now..
jas on June 23rd, 2010 at 3:51 pm | Link
You believe I’m going to hell. I believe you follow the devil in disguise. Let’s agree to disagree. HGTV is on and I want to watch House Hunters. Maybe I’ll get a glimpse of some lesbos or gays. While you pass judgement on others I’ll be getting ideas to stage my home for sale someday.
LOL on June 23rd, 2010 at 7:11 pm | Link
Far, far, far too many gays on HGTV. Outside of West Hollywood and San Fran, there are very few homosexuals. I do believe 1 to 2 percent is correct. HGTV is obviously run by homosexuals trying to advance their agenda. This has nothing to do with churches or Christians, it’s just obvious. The color splash guy, I can’t stand to see his face, he’s sickening. I instantly turn the channel when he pops up. Don’t these HGTV people know that real men find these feminine guys totally disgusting?
Marcus445 on July 3rd, 2010 at 6:15 pm | Link
Like it or not, I feel like HGTV is trying to force homosexuality on EVERYONE. I realize there are gays and lesbians in the world, but they are not the only ones who appreciate good design nor are they the majority in society. I preferred HGTV “back in the day” when it was about design and not who people are living with. I could say a whole lot more, but I see that there are a lot of offended people who go on attack when you don’t agree with their way of life. And yes, I turn the channel when I can’t take it anymore, but I should be able to watch a design show without having to view anything that is against my beliefs.
Amaziq67 on July 10th, 2010 at 10:41 pm | Link
I have written them twice the first time 1 half years ago for help my Daughter had caravel cancer and ask that, they help her get her home fixed up because it was stressing her out. I hard nothing from them then last week I wrote about my Daughter again because my granddaughter bedroom. It was needing fixed the electric is really messed up to ware we are worry and can’t let her in the room they have not wrote me back with even a kiss our ass. I thank they are just for the got there noses stuck up in the air rich people plus Gay’s & lesbian’s.
How can they get you to buy there junk they push to sell if you can’t afford it to talk to us we are to good for the anyone making less then 10k (poor folk.)
They SUCK they STINK and I am quitting watching there show NOW!
Wanda on July 12th, 2010 at 8:06 am | Link
I love this thread….it brightens my day with reminders that I’m not nearly as messed up as the bigots, hatemongers and religious zealots that just can’t seem to live and let live.
LOL on July 12th, 2010 at 11:01 am | Link
Yep, everyone that thinks homosexuality is disgusting or a sin is a bigot.
Either agree with the homosexuals or be called names by the homosexuals. Great way to try to be “accepted” - name calling. Do I think homosexuality is any less disgusting because you call me a bigot? That’s ridiculous.
Micahelw on July 12th, 2010 at 11:10 pm | Link
I bet more than 50% of the people on HGTV are gays. Come on, enough is enough HGTV. I think they should be Homo and Gay Television. When are you going to stop! Boycott HGTV, no more GAYS.
Steve on July 13th, 2010 at 4:29 pm | Link
I stopped watching long ago. They obviously have gay agenda and I personally find it offensive.
DennisK on July 13th, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Link
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straight joe on July 28th, 2010 at 6:30 pm | Link
So sad to see this country devolving instead of evolving. Religious extremism will be America’s downfall. As far as gays and lesbians on HGTV, I have never seen them so much as even kiss or hold hands. On the other hand, heterosexual couples are almost always performing these public displays of affection.
Personally, I think all of you whining homophobes should have the full force of the dreaded “gay agenda” shoved down your throats (so to speak) until you choke on it. But that’s just me.
Stephen on July 30th, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Link
Stephen: We do have the gay agenda shoved down out throats and we are tired of it. That’s all we hear. What states have adopted gay marriage, HGTV and their gay boys, etc. Enough is enough with all this gay stuff. It is NOT normal.
Steve on July 30th, 2010 at 3:16 pm | Link
Steve, it’s perfectly normal for gay people. I think you just need to throw a party, invite a few gay people, and celebrate diversity.
Stephen on July 30th, 2010 at 7:43 pm | Link
Actually I am gay and I am offended by all the blatant heterosexual inuendos I see on HGTV. Don’t you know decorating is a GAY thing? My children always ask me why is that man and women sleeping in the same bed and I don’t know what to say. I have to tell them that they don’t know better. They don’t know their way of life is dirty and immoral. I wish they would show more normal relationships on HGTV. The ones GOD intended between two men or two women.
Scott on July 31st, 2010 at 11:38 am | Link
Then you shouldn’t lie to your child. Gay is completely abnormal. If that’s the best you can talk to a child, then you shouldn’t have adopted it or had it developed in someone’s womb or whatever abnormal way you had a child. Because the normal way is between a man and a woman, has been since the beginning of humankind. If that’s dirty to you, you have more problems than just being gay.
HenryO on July 31st, 2010 at 4:56 pm | Link
Gay is A-O-K.
Stephen on July 31st, 2010 at 7:15 pm | Link
Scott: Two men/women together is disgusting. Period. You have mental issues telling your children that it is ok. Being gay is NOT A–O-K. All of you need help.
Steve on August 5th, 2010 at 7:38 am | Link
I also have noticed more and more gay couples on HGTV lately. I don’t particularly like this but I do still watch. Since this has become a discussion on homosexuality, I have a question about it. I am not a religious person AT ALL, but I do know that nature is a good indicator that homosexuality is not normal. If it were, then animals would be doing it too. I believe homosexuality is a sexual deviancy, maybe it is something that cannot be helped, but so is pedophilia and bestiality, etc. Does that mean we all have to accept these abnormal behaviors? Just because someone can’t help being attracted to young boys and girls, do we need to make special rules for them? Allow them to marry? Let them march in the streets and have pedophilia pride day? God or no God, If homosexuality were “normal” the human race would cease to exist. Also, one of the many benefits of being in a heterosexual marriage is the ability to have children. If you are gay then this isn’t part of your so called lifestyle. I really don’t believe children should be subjected to this lifestyle because it is hard enough growing up as it is. Oh, and by the way, I have had many gay co-workers, neighbors, friends, etc.
Jenny on August 17th, 2010 at 10:27 am | Link
Gay people need mental help. It is not normal. It is wrong. Do not subject children to your warped lifestyle. Gay marriage should be banned in this country. It is disgusting. Get help now.
Steve on August 19th, 2010 at 2:25 pm | Link
I have a couple of points to make. Firstly, there are way more straight couples depicted on HGTV than gay couples, in fact I would say just about 90/10… although, given that so many gay people are in the closet, how do we know for sure that there isn’t a higher percentage? Next, I would like to say that, as a lesbian myself, it is very hard to constantly have to be subjected to so many television shows, films, advertisements, songs, and books that in some way emphasize a heterosexual lifestyle. For a moment, imagine yourself in my shoes, and imagine that all this media, instead of being primarily heterosexual, was primarily homosexual. How would that make you feel? More than likely, you would feel insignificant and under-represented. You would feel like your life and your rights didn’t matter to those in charge of such content. Well, that’s how I feel on a daily basis. So I would like to say, THANK YOU HGTV for representing gay couples on your channel, and thereby acknowledging that we are all human beings with homes, gardens, and families, no matter whom we end up sharing a life with.
Christine on August 21st, 2010 at 9:38 pm | Link
I am not gay, I love watching design and demo shows, and the gay personalities on the show do not bother me in the least.
If you really want to look upon their presence on the screen as an undo influence, consider that David Bromstad shares the screen with at least TWO other designers or craftspeople and their sexuality does not seem to be in question (or gay IMO). I agree with others who say if you really did the math the proportion of seemingly gay persons on HGTV is not out of line with real life — it’s only out of line with most television shows.
I too have wondered if this is part of an intentional “agenda” by HGTV. That’s how I found this thread.
But actually what got me thinking was the preponderance of interracial couples, not gay ones.
Go figure.
Gay or straight, our society is best served by lending support to the most talented people in every line of work. Look at pro sports — it always comes down to who helps the team win more games. David Bromstad is a mind-boggling designer, and he deserves the place he’s won on design television.
We have Rembrandts and Beethovens in our midst, people. Enjoy them while they’re here.
john on August 26th, 2010 at 2:48 pm | Link
In fact, what bothers me the most about HGTV is the unwarranted preponderance of REALLY GOOD LOOKING PEOPLE on their shows.
I’m not a good judge of such things, but I’m willing to bet that most of the guys who host shows on HGTV are pretty easy on the eyes for women viewers.
I can say with certainty that Kahi Lee, Taniya Nayak, Sabrina Soto, Danielle Hirsch, and a dozen other female presenters, realtors, and craftspeople on that network are drop-dead gorgeous and sexy as all get-out.
It creates unrealistic hankerings among us ugly folk. Why should my ugly children be made to watch these good-looking people day in and day out?
It’s not natural. I’m certain that those ladies are using makeup and getting their hair done before the shoot. And it makes my kids feel like they’re supposed to look like that just because the people on TV do.
I bet no more than two percent of Americans look that good when they roll out of bed in the morning. Never mind the “ten percent” claimed by style experts.
This is an agenda pushed on us by the cosmetics industry. Or maybe creationists.
john on August 26th, 2010 at 4:18 pm | Link
Why is the noise in the background so loud. We are hard of hearing and they play the noise over the talking. We have to keep hitting the mute or change the chanel.
Shirley Klein on August 28th, 2010 at 9:16 pm | Link
Yes I have to say that Home and Garden TV should be renamed Homo and Garden TV. I understand the designers being “gay” but I get sooo sick of the house hunting butt-ugly gay couples that are paraded around as if they are as wholesome as apple pie. Give me a break. They are mostly freaks or they wouldn’t want their perversions blasted on the tube. Yech! Gives me the heeby geebies.
Mike on August 29th, 2010 at 2:32 pm | Link