I love you decorating shows, I purchased upgrade to my sarellite to get you programs.
My complaint is “why does it seem you have so many gay couples on your shows”. Don’t you realize their way of life is being pushed down our throats by your constant highlights and obvious gay couples. We Christian and other Religions, do not want that type of life style showed as normal behavior.
My children ask why are those women holding hands? Or, why are those men sleeping in the same bedroom? I don’t know if your high officials are gays or not. But, It does seem like you are promoting that type of living as normal. It’s not normal, and I’m not quoting you the Bible, you know its not normal.
Please try to be more discreet if you feel you must show gays. I personally and my friends all feel the same.
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Hi! Not really a complaint, but an observation.
Why don’t you require all of your home improvement shows involving a kitchen remodel to recycle the old cabinets to a needy home in the community? I cringe when I see the demo team and homeowners sledgehammer the heck out of perfectly serviceable cupboards!
Thanks, Lisa Hart
Lisa Hart on July 5th, 2008 at 6:50 am | Link
If you don’t like the content, CHANGE THE CHANNEL!!!!! Also, try a English or spelling class.
Why do we have to put up with these left wing christians trying to run and perfect everything about American life? Everyone is not a christian! Everyone doesn’t believe in your way of life so why force it on us?
What do you tell your children when you are watching “straight” couples getting it on on more public networks?
Many of the producers and writers of HGTV have “alternative” lifestyles. Maybe you should let your children watch Ti and see how drug abusers end up. Is that more acceptable for your family?
Jonny, yes I am gay and hold hands with my husband, we are married!!!!!!
Jon on July 7th, 2008 at 8:51 am | Link
Ummm, I was just thinking about gay and lesbian content on HGTV this very morning. I wasn’t so much thinking I don’t want to see that content (although I am a Christian, but I feel like no sin is greater than the other and since we all sin, there’s very little point in judging someone because their sin is more apparent). Really, I was thinking, is HGTV going out of their way to be gay-friendly? I was contemplating the design star finalists and thinking how freshing it was that the male contestant isn’t overtly gay. He could be gay, he could be straight, or he could be some odd brand of individual who prefers the affection of veggies or something. Whatever he is, it really has nothing to do with his ability to design a home or host a show. So, that got me thinking about the former winner, Mr. Over the Top-Color Splash-Man. He seems like he goes out of his way to remind you that he’s gay in his episodes, adding on the extra bit of stereotypical gayness every time. So, my concern with the gay and lesbian content of HGTV is more that it seems some over-compensation in order to pander to those communities and the fact that the number of examples seems slightly disproportionate makes me wonder if they’re not targeting the audience because the stereotype is that gay men love all things fabulous, and that includes fabulous home decor. I could be wrong, but I figure it’s worth voicing, if only to have my question answered with a “no” so I can stop contemplating it.
Jaqueline on July 31st, 2008 at 9:04 am | Link
David is gay, that’s the way he acts, look at Clay Aiken, he is a product of what he thinks America wants, living a closeted life because he is afraid his career will be over if he truly states who he is. Would you want your friends or family to lie to you and then you find out they are someone you expected them not to be? People that watch these shows containing “gay” characters and complain should just as well be watching XXX porn and then saying, “the action is disguisting or I was repulsed”.
I couldn’t agree with Jon more, if you don’t like what you or your kids are watching, push the channel up/down or turn the power off. Simple fix!
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lolita on August 17th, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Link
Have any of you watched MTV or VH-1 lately, hard to believe this garbage is even allowed to air on tv.
Funny what we’ll tolerate!! Wake up USA.
Maurice on October 29th, 2008 at 10:34 pm | Link
OMG! Somebody’s complaining that a television network dedicated to interior design is “too gay”! Seriously, I think you need to just change the channel, go outside, and maybe get a breath of fresh air sometime,…
Cashman on November 3rd, 2008 at 9:28 am | Link
Tell me about it, while they are at it they should get rid of blacks, hispanics, asians and INTERRACIAL COUPLES (sarcasm). Get over yourself. If you don’t like it, change the channel! It is a home decorating channel for God’s sake! Of course you are going to see gay couples/individuals. Maybe you should watch Discovery Health instead and see if they have a show about how to remove the stick out of your ass.
Naynay on November 3rd, 2008 at 7:14 pm | Link
WOW! I didn’t know that the folks from the Westboro Baptist Church were fans of HGTV!
Meat on November 25th, 2008 at 1:46 am | Link
I don’t watch HGTV any more, or buy from their advertisers. Promoting the Homosexual life style is not good for America. It’s a prime example of telling a lie long enough it somehow becomes true. The lie? The lie is that this sexual devience is normal, natural and moral. I don’t think it is. The principles might as well change the network to the “home and gay” network!
coolbrz on December 21st, 2008 at 8:38 pm | Link
I realize that most of you are saying 10 percent of the nation is gay. So my question is are the people doing the shows and the people on the shows 10 percent gay? To give the nation a percentage fare to what is in the nation or is this another its okay to have BET but, not WET. Why does everyone have to be so BOO HOO ME? Just be what the world is. You have the right to choose what you want to watch. The right to complain about what you want. Just give me a balance in the world comprable to the world. Oh and if you are still going heavy on the gay. Please go more for the hot gay chicks please.
paul on January 9th, 2009 at 5:58 pm | Link
I 100% agree with too many homosexuals on HGTV. I have watched this network since the beginning and since homosexuals are only 10% of the population, if that, why are so many on this network! Once I get my husband to sit down and learn something what happens? Three back-to-back shows featuring homosexuals. Needless to say, out the door he went. Get with it, HGTV. 90% are straight.
Beth on March 3rd, 2009 at 2:01 pm | Link
Hmmmm…. that explains why I left my wife and kids and became a homosexual militant. All that watching if HGTV has rubbed off on me. Must have been some sinister subliminal messages in the video.
When will you religious haters (in ALL religions) get over it and let people enjoy the freedoms you do? Why use all your emotional resources to hate people 24/7 when you can embrace them as HUMANS instead?
You act as if HGTV shows videos of homosexuals having sex! Idiots.
Scooter on March 4th, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Link
In response to Jon’s comment several posts above:
You are a dumb ass. Christians are not “left wing”. They’re “right wing”. Its you gays who are leftist…get it right. You of all people should know that. Homosexuality is a SIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nick on March 18th, 2009 at 10:20 pm | Link
It is a sin - according to who? Not some religious cult… not some book like Mein Kampf or the King James Bible. According to who? And if it is, good. Don’t yo do it. Leave others to enjoy their lives. Don’t be so insecure about your masculinity. It is true that those who hate homosexuals the worst, are in fact, closet homosexuals. What you SHOULD hate are the millions of horrible, hurtful things said and done to other people, day after day. But I guess that stuiff isn’t sinful, is it!
Homosexuals are NOT 10 percent of the population. They are 2.1 percent. The homosexual community would like you to think they are 10 percent of the population to make pushing their agendas easier. Even San Francisco, arguably the homosexual capital of the U.S. is only 2.9 percent homosexual.
edmund on April 11th, 2009 at 12:27 pm | Link
The Internet has been taken over by homosexuals, so I estimate they are some 25% ofteh population.
babygrrl1991 on April 17th, 2009 at 1:42 pm | Link
I’m watching HGTV now and yes there is a fairly large percentage of gay designers and gay couples profiled. But as someone else mentioned above, what do you expect for a channel related to home/garden design? I don’t like to be stereotypical but you have to assume there is a reason why there is a sizeable percentage of gays in design, theatre, the arts, etc. Or for those that complain about the “overly gay” behavior why is there a set of traits that is identified as “gay”? Maybe, just maybe, homosexuality is genetic and not a “chosen” behavior as many (including many Christians) would like to believe. Of course homosexuals like anyone can’t be pegged to any one stereotype but how can people not see that homosexuality is a predetermined set of traits like benevolence, or shyness, or red hair, or whatever? I know a 5 year old boy who acts very effeminate, loves dressing up, likes to play with girls, etc. His father is not what I would call happy with it and you can’t say 100% that the boy is gay but his father assumes he is and loves him. If this 5 year old turns out to be gay, there is no way I can say that he made a conscious decision to be the way that he and how could you call a sweet child born a certain way a “sinner”.
squig on April 21st, 2009 at 5:58 pm | Link
The reason so many gay people are shown on home interior/gardening/beauty/art/theatre/etc shows is because they are the only ones with the talent to make everyone else look good. Come on people this is 2009, enough with the hating. Vanity is a sin.
irocnroll on April 29th, 2009 at 5:54 pm | Link
A sin? According to whom? According to which hateful book of fables (bible)?
scooter on April 29th, 2009 at 7:41 pm | Link
Edmund,
San Francisco is 15.4% gay according to the 2000 Census. Learn to Google dumba__ before you make stuff up.
milwaukeewi on May 31st, 2009 at 7:25 am | Link
You gay people are always trying to pump your gay numbers up. San Francisco is, as of 2008, 2.1 % gay. If you Google, use more than one reference dumba___
edmund on May 31st, 2009 at 10:09 am | Link
HGTV first of all should be based on the talent of the designer and what they can bring to the network, not the sexual orientation of the designers. Personally I LOVE David B.. His show Color Splash is unbelievable. He has so much talent and his team has great chemistry. Agreeing or disagreeing with homosexuality is a personal issue and should not be brought to the forefront of whether or not a show is produced. It should be about talent, not the orientation. Everyone has personal beliefs and you can’t please the everyone. I’m a Christian, I don’t condone homosexuality, but I’m not going to condemn a homosexual’s design simply because he’s homosexual. Again, it’s a talent issue. This is a design network. Go David’s Color Splash!
Mrsl on May 31st, 2009 at 12:34 pm | Link
Edmund,
Project much homo? Just because I know how to use a computer doesn’t make me gay. Get over yourself and learn how to research.
I also agree with Mrsl, someone’s talent should dictate if they have a show or not.
milwaukeewi on June 1st, 2009 at 4:21 am | Link
Let me guess the women with all problems with the gays must live in a mostly white, male-dominated world that is scared that someone on TV may be living a different lifestyle then she is accustomed to. She probably has never met another gay person either. I bet she cringes every time a black person flashes across the screen, its probably really annoying that we have a black president too. The truth is she and all her hateful friends are homophobic because they have never taken the time or been given the opportunity in their small world to understand their own sexuality and why it makes them feel uncomfortable whenever they look at another woman a little to long or longingly. Well the point is people like you will never win with your homophobic ways. Its not very holy to hate others. Who died and made her god deciding if gay people were allowed to pick out fabric on television together. Truth is gay people are fashionable, they belong on HGTV and chances are the reason why the show is sooo popular and stylish is because there are probably a few gay people responsible for that. I can’t believe she would take the time out of her busy life of children and a family to worry about what the gays are doing on television. Listen honey you dont have to turn on the tv to see what the gays are doing, they are all around you. In your neighborhood, probably teaching your kids in school. I would home school your children so they are not exposed to homosexuals, because afterall, its contagious…trust me they can catch it!!!! Kinda like the swine flu, but there isnt any cure for this disease!!!! Maybe you should move out of the country so that you wont have a chance to screw up the next election. Either way if you don’t want any more negative comments made about you, then please refrain from making them about me and “my people”. Thank you
Karen Wrisely on June 5th, 2009 at 3:16 pm | Link
I love our black president. I think he is this country’s best since Lincoln. I adore Obama. I do, however, think gay people are sick and I do not enjoy seeing men act like women. I find them quite disgusting.
Alberta on June 5th, 2009 at 5:50 pm | Link
Homosexuality is of course, a sinful, disgusting, shameful thing in the eyes of many. Trying to make it seem “normal” will never happen. Gay “pride” is a myth. Being gay is not normal, and never will be. You don’t have to be in a cult or be a hater to feel that way.
Darrius on June 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pm | Link
Normalcy is a myth. There is no such thing… There are societal, and community norms, but these are just based on what is deemed acceptable behavior. You don’t like the idea of a homosexual couple, then fine, don’t date someone of your own gender, but don’t tell them they aren’t normal for loving someone. You have no control over who you fall in love with, or who you are attracted to, I don’t care if your straight, gay, black, white, hispanic, or a freaking alien. You fall in love with who you fall in love with, and love isn’t an emotion or feeling, it’s a gift, that everyone should have the right to give, and receive. You talk about a homosexual agenda, but there is no agenda… other than love.
If you want to take something so pure and beautiful, and pervert it by calling it wrong or immoral then you are the one with the agenda.
The Bible says that sodomy is wrong, and it’s reference is to greed.
No where does The Bible say that love is wrong, as a matter of fact, if you’re Christian, it’s what Christ died to protect.
Becca on June 18th, 2009 at 9:24 am | Link
Darius you are wrong of course.I find nothing sinful, shameful or disgusting about being gay. Gay Pride is hardly a myth-just ask the millions of gays and lesbians around the country who live and love openly without guilt ,fear or shame. The only sin I see here is one of stupidity committed by you and other bigots.
robert ryan on July 20th, 2009 at 3:10 pm | Link
YOU find nothing sinful, shameful or disgusting about being gay, but I certainly do. If I am wrong, it’s in the eyes of the homosexual police. I am also with the majority of people around the world. Applying a word like “gay” to homosexuality makes it no less vile.
Darrius on July 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pm | Link
While surfing i landed on HGTV and within 10 minutes i had to change the channel and never been back. Everyone has a right to agree or disagree with how HGTV runs their programing. I chose to block that channel so my kids are not exposed to gay’s and interracial couples in my own house. I dont care what other people do as long as they dont do it in front of me or my childern. So does that make me a racist because i cant stand the site of gays or interracials displaying their affection for each other in public? Oh well if it does, not like they love my race all that much anyway. I moved to a gated community to raise my children around people with the same values. I am happy that those gays and interracials now have their own channel, so they cant complain about that anyway. Gay marriage… That just makes me Laugh. So since anyone can marry anything now i guess i should propose to my dog so i can get her on my medical plan…Damn Vet bills are a killer.
Whatever on July 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pm | Link
1. Real gay men don’t watch HGTV - it’s really meant for straight people with no taste whatsoever.
2. If you find gay men so offensive, just remember, we spend a lot more time tolerating you than than you will ever spend tolerating us.
3. Should you keep calling it a culture war, we may be so inclined to take you for your word and start running you down as you march out of the WalMart with your six children from three different marriages.
4. In reference to the percentage of the population that is gay, take that little number in your head and then do this: go on craigslist in the men-seeking-men section and count the number of straight married men who are trying to hook up with each other or any guy they can get their hands on - you’ll definitely get a good shock!
nick campbell on August 15th, 2009 at 9:33 pm | Link
I don’t have a problem with gay designers, show hosts or any other regulars on HGTV. Having said that, I do find it odd that many shows frequently have guests, such as on House Hunters that are gay couples. If the percentage of the national population of gays is what was quoted above, I do see an imbalance here. I’m a married heterosexual that is feeling out numbered.
Drema Bell on August 27th, 2009 at 6:26 pm | Link
First off, who are you to decide what is and isn’t “normal”? I am so tired of you so-called “Christians” trying to dictate to others what you feel is acceptable. Perhaps you should stop worrying about how others choose to live their lives and focus your efforts on being a true Christian and practice some tolerance. As far as your children are concerned, maybe you should explain to them that love knows no boundaries. Sometimes two women or two men fall in love…that’s just the way it is. That doesn’t mean that they need to fall in love with a person of the same sex, but what is wrong with them knowing that it happens?
If that is too difficult for you to muster, then perhaps you should turn the channel, return to your bubble and block out everything that doesn’t conform to your narrow-minded standards.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 7:42 am | Link
Christians do tolerate homosexuals. The Bible calls homosexuality an abomination. The 2 percent of the public that is homosexual is clearly not normal, except in the eyes of other homosexuals. Sex between a man and a woman, especially for procreation, is normal. I hope this clears it up for you.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 7:46 am | Link
By the way, I work in Hollywood. The reason you see so many homosexuals of TV in relation to the very small amount of homosexuals in the general population is because they flock to hollywood and work in the studios. Hollywood is very open to al groups and homosexuals see television and film as a way to push their agendas and make it seem as if they in high in number, even claiming 10 percent of the population is homosexual, when in reality, only 2 percent is. HGTV caters to the homosexual demographic and therefore tries to display as many as they can find.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 7:48 am | Link
The Bible is a book of myths written as a means of control. Sorry, but it’s not a rule book to life. According to the Bible, eating shellfish is a sin as well. Do you boycott Red Lobster?
Also, for the record, studies show that 1 in every 10 people is gay. That’s 10%…not 2%.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 7:57 am | Link
People who don’t read the Bible often quote Old Testament scripture as a means of trying to disprove the Bible. The New Testament replaces the Old Testament and states that shellfish is fine to eat. It also repeats that homosexuality is an abomination and that homosexuals will NOT inherit the kingdom of heaven. You may believe the Bible is a myth, and you may believe hell isn’t real, but you’ll certainly believe it when you get there.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 8:02 am | Link
And for the record, the gay population 2.1 percent, not the mythical 10 percent homosexuals like to preach.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 8:02 am | Link
BTW…the gay agenda DOES NOT exist. That’s nothing but a myth created by others trying to paint gays as evil predators. We don’t want to convert you, we don’t want SPECIAL rights…we only want EQUAL rights. I really don’t think that qualifies as an agenda.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 8:04 am | Link
The gay population is indeed 2.1. Why gay people keep trying to pump the number up to 10 percent is clearly a lie. Even at 10 % they are such a minority that there “rights” should not be taken seriously. They have every right as anyone else, except they rightfully cannot marry. Get over it. The majority does not approve. Instead of dealing with it they call everyone else names like “haters” and “bigots.” At least Christians don’t go around calling non-Christians “haters” and “bigots.” I’m really sick of all this gay stuff.
Lucas on September 1st, 2009 at 8:07 am | Link
Mark:
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I can certainly understand someone’s counter opinion when I am not being called names for my own beliefs. There is certainly a gay agenda, and it is normalize the gay lifestyle and integrate into normal society. It has been well-known and documented since the 1960s. It is particularly out in the open in the West Hollywood area of L.A. where the push is to force all TV shows and films to have at least one gay character, and to sue any public organization that doesn’t openly accept gays included the Boys Scouts of America.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 8:12 am | Link
LOL @ Lucas!
“At least Christians don’t go around calling non-Christians haters and bigots.”
No, they only choose to condemn others because of whom they love,
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 8:12 am | Link
“At least Christians don’t go around calling non-Christians haters and bigots.”
No, they only choose to condemn others because of whom they love,
Are you grouping all Christians together? Isn’t that stereotyping? And Christians are only to condemn what Christ condemns. We are to love all people, including homosexuals, for example, but condemn homosexuality which is sin. Don’t confuse the two. We are also to reach out to those who are obviously going to hell, e.g. homosexuals, and try to get them to turn from their wicked ways. You fight is not with Christians, it is with Christ, who you disagree with. A you cannot win a fight against God.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 8:16 am | Link
Henry…it looks like we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 8:18 am | Link
Mark:
We will disagree with this topic, and that is OK. I do know for a fact there is a gay agenda, absolutely in Hollywood. But God bless you, and thank you for disagreeing respectfully. I think that is how all disagreements should be tackled, sans all the name calling and claims of bigotry and hatred. I know many gays in Hollywood and I don’t hate a single one of them. But I would never vote for gay marriage.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 8:25 am | Link
The focus on that show is NOT the couple, it’s the home improvement project! While you may not agree with same sex relationships, the reason we watch HGTV, my reason anyway, is to see what people are doing to their homes, and maybe learning something that I could do in my own home! It’s so sad that people are judged by who they choose to love, and want to share their lives with! Also, if you are so against it, why watch?? There is more to see on TV..and with the vast numbers of Home Improvement shows, you should be able to find something that does appeal to you!!!
And it would be wonderful if you could tell that child that those 2 women or men are holding hands because they love each other!! This world has so much hate going on, it’s very refreshing to see people happy and in love!!! Straight couples or gay/lesbian couples!
Rene on September 1st, 2009 at 8:45 am | Link
I would like to respond to the initial comment placed here - that HGTV is specifically focusing its attention on gay/lesbian couples on purpose.
You should understand that most of the programing on HGTV is produced by local productions companies across the US and Canada. So it is not as though ‘anyone at HGTV’ is specifically doing anything other than accepting programs from various sources. I also know that finding people willing to open their homes to the kind of ‘madness’ that is involved in participating in one of the make-overs is quite difficult. I sure they are using whatever homeowners willing to take part.
If your complaint is that there are ‘gay people’ on those shows, then let me be the first to tell you - there are ‘gay people’ in the world - and you can’t escape or hide from that fact. There are also ‘gay people’ in the christian church - I know, I’m one of them. There are also ‘gay people’ in the design industry - I know, I’m one of them as well.
And for you to announce - “you are not normal” - is not true and is not, in any way, your place to say. It *is* your opinion, and you are welcome to it. I know I have no hope of changing your mind, but I’d like you to think about this -
as much as you dislike have the ‘gay agenda (whatever that may be) forced on you - that’s how I feel about the ‘christian agenda (whatever THAT may be) being forced on me. The God that I worship loves me. And you have no right to announce anything differently.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 9:28 am | Link
These are opinions. We have every right to express them, and once again, to dislike homosexual is not hate. Christianity is not forced on you. Do you a see a Christian on every TV show, or a Christian on HGTV. You wouldn’t know. That’s how the gays should be instead of spewing, :We’re here, we’re queer. get used to it.” Well, homosexuality is an abomination, many people feel that way, get used to it.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 10:01 am | Link
Henry,
Again, you and I will have to agree to disagree, as did with mark. And as tired as you must be of hearing “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it” - imagine for one moment, opening up an email early this morning that I thought was going to be about the sad state of “design” on HGTV and reading a long diatribe that basically reads - “we are christians, and you are an abomination, get used to it.” it’s a tough way to start the day. Any day.
Yes, there are christians on HGTV. There are christians in the world. I have no issue with either. You are welcome to believe and worship whatever you wish. There are gay people on TV, as there are gay people in the world. But, being told that “homosexuality is an abomination.” Frankly, that’s just kinda rude.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 10:14 am | Link
Henry,
I never seen a gay couple on HGTV screaming “we’re queer, we’re here..get used to it!”. In fact, they behave as any other straight couple does. Which is the way it should be. The only ones who make it an issue are those, like yourself, who feel it is an abomination. It really is time that those with your mindset realize that you don’t speak for all.
I applaud HGTV for taking such a progressive stance.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 10:14 am | Link
I was married for 11 years, and have 2 wonderful, well adjusted, LOVING, accepting children(14 & 11). I grew up in a small midwestern town, full of right wing Christians. In fact, I worked in a church preschool, and was very involved in my church, leading bible studies, was a youth group sponsor, in the choir, ect.. I went to college, got married, bought a house, had kids.. All of the “normal” things that were expected of me. I am now happier than I have ever been! In a same sex relationship of 5 years! My children are happier, they have very normal lives, tons of friends, and very involved in many activities.. I STILL believe in God, I STILL pray everyday(continuously, in fact), I STILL believe that I am going to heaven, I STILL read the bible, and daily devotions, I STILL go to church. Most importantly, I STILL believe that LOVE is the word used most in the bible, it is what the entire Bible is about. I will leave judgement to God. I understand the thought process and reasoning behind the average Christian’s judgement, I just pray that someday you are able to not judge, love, and accept ALL people as equals.
Heather on September 1st, 2009 at 10:56 am | Link
Ben & Jerry contibute to spreading the Gay Agenda!
http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view/20090901ice_cream_company_fetes_gay_marriage/srvc=home&position=also
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 11:37 am | Link
Heather:
That is a beautiful, well-written letter. But you are incorrect when you use the term “Christian’s judgment.” You are not being judged by Christians, nor condemned by Christians. There is no “Hate” here. Christians have an obligation to despise sin, correct? Well the Bible specifically calls homosexuality sin, as it does lust, murder, lying, etc. As you know, merely being good does not get any of us into heaven. What should be most frightening to any gay person is the New Testament specifically states that no homosexual will enter the gates of heaven. I say this in love, because I am hoping to get into heaven myself, and I am not perfect, no Christian is, and would love to have you there as well.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 11:46 am | Link
While perusing this thread, I noticed that the anti-gay vitriol is being spread by just a few individuals who, for whatever reason, must love reading their own words.
Henry, you’ve expressed your opinion ad nauseam. You are the worst kind of Christian: One who invents a platform upon which to stand and scream at the world. I can’t believe you actually think “Hollywood” is overrun by gays for the sole purpose of dominating House Hunters (which, if you count the number of straight and gay couples, comes nowhere near a dominant gay showing). I spurn your hatred and wish you would keep it to yourself.
To HGTV, I enjoy your programming very much and have taken from them a number of design elements to execute in my own house. I love the fact that HGTV does show a realistic and much welcomed balance of different lifestyles and cultures. Good work!
My biggest complaint is really about the right-wing Christians who don’t know a thing about the world. Would you create more programming to help educate them? Thank you!
George on September 1st, 2009 at 11:47 am | Link
George:
You are so typical. An opinion against yours is hate by the “right-wing” “Christian” or “Liberal media,” or some-such. Is is always someone’s else’s fault when they don’t agree with your views. HGTV does not display “balanced” programming when the population of gay people is minuscule “in reality.” I also work in Hollywood and it is overrun by gay people. Many who openly bash Christians and anyone else that isn’t gay. Straight people are called “breeders” in a very negative way by gays. And if you think men acting like women is “normal,” you are the one how is out of touch with reality.
JUdy on September 1st, 2009 at 11:53 am | Link
Judy,
“I work in Hollywood….” I live in Encino and have worked at many of the studios. Do you live in a delirium? Your “perception” of the studios and HGTV’s programming is based on your own pathetic insecurities.
Where are you working right now? I’d love to have a word with your manager.
George
George on September 1st, 2009 at 11:57 am | Link
P.S. If you can bash gays, why can’t I bash fascist Christians?
George on September 1st, 2009 at 11:58 am | Link
I have the opposite point of view - why are there so many straight couples being forced down my throat with their lifestyle on every tv show and movie.
I mean SUPERNANNY, WIFE SWAP, HGTV etc — they are just everywhere and some of them are even Christain. I find that very offensive - why should I have to listen to Religious people on television expousing their beliefs?? Shouldn’t that be private.
I have no problem with religious people - as long as they don’t shove their lifestyle in my face or try to teach my kids etc.
Your bigoted point of view is so refreshing - wave your bigoted hateful flag proudly. Then maybe I’ll do the same.
Cranky Cub on September 1st, 2009 at 11:59 am | Link
Homosexuality is an abomination and will never be accepted by not only Christians, but apparently the vast majority of the world. It is not discrimination. Gays can go into any store, walk the street, sit at any lunch counter, etc.
I am repulsed by gay people, but would never show it, therefore, I think I am quite tolerable, but certainly not sympathetic to the myth that they do not have rights.
HGTV is a wonderful network, very helpful and well-produced. However, they show far too many gay people. I still watch the shows, but am a bit sickened by the numbers of gays shown — which is WAY out of proportion. The Color Splash guy is ridiculously gay, so much so he is distracting, plus his designs are awful.
Jimmy Loo on September 1st, 2009 at 11:59 am | Link
Bravo Cranky Cub!
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 12:00 pm | Link
George, I am the manager. Cranky, do as I do, just turn the channel.
Judy on September 1st, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Link
George, you have never worked in Hollywood. If you did, you’d know exactly what I’m talking about. I see right through you. Riding through Hollywood on a tour bus does not count.
Judy on September 1st, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Link
Judy,
Everyone has a superordinate. How may I get in touch with yours?
George
George on September 1st, 2009 at 12:05 pm | Link
George:
How may I get in touch with your superordinate? You may get in touch with mine by opening the Holy Bible and reading. He will make Himself readily available to any meetings.
Judy on September 1st, 2009 at 12:09 pm | Link
LOL - this seems to have left the realms of adult conversation.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 12:10 pm | Link
Bravo Judy!
“You may get in touch with mine by opening the Holy Bible and reading. He will make Himself readily available to any meetings.”
I could not have said it any better and I have nothing against gay people, but they should at least realize that anyone who does not approve of gay marriage or actually studies a Bible isn’t evil, full of hate, a bigot, etc.
I think deep down inside, gay people must be miserable to so quickly and viciously attack people like they do.
Ammerst on September 1st, 2009 at 12:13 pm | Link
“I think deep down inside, Christian people must be miserable to so quickly and viciously attack people like they do.”
bob on September 1st, 2009 at 12:16 pm | Link
Me-thinks that George has a screw loose. Calling a superior? Get real man, this is a message board where people express opinions. Have you EVER been on a board where everyone agrees with you?
Carny on September 1st, 2009 at 12:16 pm | Link
Bob says “I think deep down inside, Christian people must be miserable to so quickly and viciously attack people like they do.”
Bob, if you could only feel the joy we do, you wouldn’t utter such a stupidly foolish statement.
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 12:17 pm | Link
it never failed to amuse me that people can write “you are an abomination and doomed to hell” in the same sentence as “but, I don’t judge people” and “I”m only coming from a place of love.”
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Link
but, I am a Christian. and am FULL of God’s love for everyone. EVERYONE. please don’t limit my understanding of God by your understanding of God.
do YOU find your joy in judging others?
bob on September 1st, 2009 at 12:20 pm | Link
George has a screw loose?
How about those folks who refer to a mythical man in the sky as their superior and consider a book of myths to be a rulebook?
Now, THAT’S crazy.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 12:24 pm | Link
Being gay and thinking that’s normal and believing scientific theories that we evolved from fish that transformed into apes, the same scientific community that thought the earth was flat for thousands of years, and that species can make themselves better over time although the same scientists proved everything deteriorates, now’s that’s nuts. Simply seeing that everything in existence what created, and not believing in a creator, that’s nuts. Calling the Bible a book of myths is the easy way out for gay people. I don’t believe it so it is a myth. I don’t believe in gay marriage, does that make it a myth?
Henry on September 1st, 2009 at 12:30 pm | Link
I don’t like gay people at ALL. The main reason is they are so negative, always calling people names and putting down other people. As I see it, Christian people are following the beliefs of their God. There God is against homosexuality. Gay people resort to calling others vicious names because they are not accepted into society? Gay people disgust a lot of people, that’s just a fact.
Kenneth Banner on September 1st, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Link
Oh boy…
You folks just keep getting more wacko with each post.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Link
Henry,
It was the church that spread the ‘truth’ that the earth was flat and executed scientist who said otherwise.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 12:39 pm | Link
SMW…
You silly goose! Stop confusing the issue with facts. They are so overrated! LOL
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 12:42 pm | Link
Kenneth,
I’m perplexed by the fact that you don’t seem to understand that there are gay christians.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 12:42 pm | Link
Leviticus 18:22
“Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin.”
I love gay people, but I believe the above. I think most Christians feel as I do. Hate the sin, not the sinner. Calling me names will not change my belief.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 12:43 pm | Link
Manna,
Sorry…but that’s a HUGE cop out. You cannot love someone but consider their lifestyle to be an abomination. If that’s your idea of love, then please count me out.
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 12:49 pm | Link
Manna,
do you wanna play in the old testament, or the new testament. you can pick.
but, if you’re going to start quoting scripture, then SO am I.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 12:51 pm | Link
Of course you can love someone and hate their lifestyle. Do you have children? Sometimes they may not do as you’d like but you still love them, despite the pain they may cause you. And the New Testament replaced the Old Testament, so feel free SMW to post Scripture, that’s always a good thing.
I have no personal opinion on gay acceptance except to say that I value the Word of my Lord. He said love one another and I do,… and everyone certainly includes the gay community. But He has also stated to hate sin, all sin, and He clearly states that homosexuality is a sin. There is no Catch-22 involved with loving a sinner but hating his or her sin.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 1:00 pm | Link
I only asked because you opened with that old chestnut from Leviticus.
Okie-dokie :
“He clearly states that homosexuality is a sin”
By, “He” I assume you speak of Christ? I would like for you to quote the scripture FROM THE GOSPELS of CHRIST’S WORDS that backs up that statement.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 1:10 pm | Link
Certainly SMW - “old chectnut” made me smile. You have a great way with words.
I certainly mean Christ when I mention “He” and here are a few New Testament Scriptures to support my assertion that Christ clearly condemns homosexuality. But please bear in mean that Christ also said the GREATEST commandment is that we love one another.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (King James Version)
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Jude 1:7
7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Sodom was, as I’m sure you know, a city described as overrun with homosexuality, and where the term “sodomy” is derived.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 1:20 pm | Link
Also:
The New Testament agrees with and confirms the Old Testament’s condemnation of homosexuality. In the first chapter of Romans: “Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;…who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them” (Rom. 1:24-28, 32)
But again, if one is to be truly considered a Christian in God’s eyes, not our own eyes, we must love one another, because we all sin, each and every one of us, all in different ways. In God’s eyes, according to His Word, the sin of a straight person is just as sinful as the sins of a gay person, that is why we are not to judge.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 1:25 pm | Link
Manna,
I’m going to have to ask again - FROM THE GOSPELS . . . from the recorded words of our savior. Not the writings of Paul, or any of the other apostles. I want some “Jesus Said” kinda stuff.
sorry, but I been called an abomination several times today, and I’d like someone to back up that statement with the words of my Savior.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 1:29 pm | Link
*crickets*
mark mccormick on September 1st, 2009 at 1:41 pm | Link
As if you really care what Jesus says. You’ll just twist it around some sort of way. Scripture has been presented, but nooooo, only what Jesus says. The ministry of Jesus on Earth was short, the Bible is long. I’m not sure what Jesus specifically said about gay people but I know for sure he didn’t comment on everything. There’s just no dealing with you gay people.
Lucas on September 1st, 2009 at 1:49 pm | Link
Certainly.
And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)
2. “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” (John 5:46-47.)
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 1:53 pm | Link
people - for the tenth and eleventh time - you’ve dealing with a gay christian here. and a bible school teacher. and a scholar. I take the words of Christ extremely seriously. and I’m wait to see what scriptural references you have that support that statement “He (Christ) clearly states that homosexuality is a sin”
From all the chatter on here this morning, one would think that it was the subject of every sermon that Christ gave.
Still waiting.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 1:54 pm | Link
you’re the one that said “clearly states homosexuality is a sin” - not me.
the first example you give is regarding creation.
the second is in regards to the ten commandments.
try again.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 1:58 pm | Link
dear manna (et al),
jesus preached a message of love, and specifically requested his followers to not judge- what part of his message are you not understanding? please remember, that christianity is founded on the the belief in jesus and his teachings- if you don’t believe his word supersedes that of the old testament, well, that would make you *jewish* now, wouldn’t it?
bitch please on September 1st, 2009 at 2:06 pm | Link
Any Bible school teacher worth his or her salt would understand the two Scriptures provided. The first clearly deals with homosexuality and that He is against same-sex marriage. The second Scripture validates that many will not believe Jesus because of Old Testament writings that are outdated by the New Testament. Are you aware the the Word is actually Jesus?
As a Bible school teacher are you aware that Jesus is the author of all New Testament Scripture? Men such as Paul were used by God to write the Scripture. Saying Jesus didn’t say it makes the argument that since Jesus didn’t say “Do not skin cats and throw them against a pole” that is accepted to do.
Mark 10:6-8 - “…at the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife.”
Also, look more closely at this Scripture:
Matthew 19:4-6 says, “4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause (that they are male and female) shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together (a man and a wife), let not man put asunder.”
I commend you for bringing forth your argument, but if one can discern the Bible, and as you know, God says many who don’t know Him cannot discern or understand the Bible, but to those who do, this is clearly speaking against homosexuality and especially gay marriage.
Also, whoever called you an abomination is incorrect. You are not an abomination. God calls homosexuality an abomination, not the person. The person is a sinner, the sin is an abomination.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 2:15 pm | Link
I am not judging, I am relaying facts from the Bible. As I mentioned before, I love gay people. I love my children also, so I will certainly scold them or tell them if they are doing something harmful. There is a major difference between judging and correcting, as the Bible states to do. Sometimes the guilty feel they are being judged when no one is judging at all. I understand that.
It is common for a sinner to rebel against someone pointing out their sin, even if it is in love. I have had that problem myself at times.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 2:21 pm | Link
I have to leave to go to work now, but I will return to this board tomorrow. Please do not take my absence as anything other than that. If anyone has any specific statements for me, I will certainly respond to them when I get back to the computer.
Manna on September 1st, 2009 at 2:24 pm | Link
firstly, we’re not talking about gay marriage. that’s a separate conversation.
what you said was that Christ “clearly states that homosexuality is a sin” and you’ve yet to quote biblical text to support that statement. If your argument is that ‘the church’ is against homosexuality - that again is a different conversation . . .
You started this with your statement and have yet, to my standards, been able to support it.
As I understand our culture, people “who throw cats against poles” and not being beaten and killed for their actions. They are not being shamed into suicide by people telling them that they are against the will of God - people who wrap themselves in the pious belief that “Christ clearly states the you are an abomination.”
And whilst we’re splitting hairs . . . is you can hate the sin, but love the sinner . . . would you mind if I loved Christianity, but hated christians?
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 2:29 pm | Link
My goodness. Gay people will do or say anything, even claim to be Bible scholars to try to get approval. It’s a clear as the nose on your gay face that gay activity is a sin. This is from a person that doesn’t even go to church. Anything for you to try to make a little point so you can feel better about your gay lifestyle. Now that’s really sad and pathetic.
Breakf on September 1st, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Link
I wandered on here by mistake, but it’s the same old story apparently. Gay people trying to be accepted by any means necessary. It will never work and of course it’s a sin, man. Being a homo is a sin. So is burglary and rape. It’s all WRONG. A parade ain’t going to change that. I’m outta here.
York on September 1st, 2009 at 2:37 pm | Link
I certainly don’t feel I need your “approval” or need to justify my place on this planet to narrow minded people - nor would I expect a civilized reply from them -
I was simply having a conversation regarding scriptural text with another christian.
we seem to be at an impasse - you don’t “believe a parade is going to change” the fact that you won’t accept me . . . and I don’t believe that waving signs that say “god hates fags” makes that true either.
peace.
SMW on September 1st, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Link
To HGTV - Why don’t you do a show called “Handy Husbands” where married gay couples work with your staff to fix up their homes? Gay couples have just as many disagreements about household designs as do any other couple. It would be fun to observe the process these couples go through to comprise on a final solution and then see it come to life. I’d love to see it!!! Thanks for letting me express my opinion.
@Manna - The Old Testament endorses slavery. Would you care If I wrote a check to your parents/husband/wife to indoctrinate you into servitude? OMG…It never occurred to me until just now that this practice is ILLEGAL in America. I wonder why? I was so looking to own you as my property. Also, your Bible has been substantially altered and interpretations warped over time by royalty, that the meanings expressed in English versions are not really in the same context as the original languages. Also, the Bible went through several periods of extensive editing to remove books that clergy and royalty felt undermined their authority or moral code at the time. And let’s not forget that the Bible wasn’t really written down until hundreds of years after the occurrence of the so-called “true events.” To me, it’s equivalent to a Jackie Collins novel. I LOVE the juicy parts where straight daughters rape their father while he sleeps. And what about Caine and Abel (did I spell their names correctly?). WOW. Murder by straight people! Blood murder no less. I must read more of this book to learn about how the straight, religious mind works and which mental and psychological disorders they have passed onto one another since time memorial.
@Ammerst - Christians aren’t evil? Read my comments above to Manna. Your own Bible seems to address your comment better than I ever could.
@Judy - You know nothing about me. I have been working in the entertainment industry since I moved to Los Angeles. I suspect you are the one who is the fraud. But you lie so much, could we ever know and believe?
@Henry - I have Christian friends. They don’t denounce me for being gay. They embrace me and my friendship. I used to babysit their children. I was named a godparent to two of them. But, unfortunately, most of the Christians I have know in my lifetime are the type who want only THEIR faith to predominate the world, who only want THEIR morality taught in private and public venues, who erect campaigns of misinformation to con voters into believe things which are clearly not true. They thrive on fear and threats of punishment and have not an iota of love in their hearts for themselves let alone others. You, Bob, are one of these. I pity you. You create misery and it consumes you. I, on the other hand, know who I am and embrace all decent people. Is everyone perfect? No. We all lie and we all make mistakes. This is a given. But I would never consider bringing you into my fold of friends, Henry. Your behavior is unethical, immoral and self-serving. Plus you are just as bitter as Manna and Judy. What a waste of your lives to go around hating people. Very sad.
George on September 1st, 2009 at 2:59 pm | Link
Correction: I meant to write “You, Henry, are one of these” and not address this comment to Bob. Thank you.
George on September 1st, 2009 at 3:03 pm | Link
@ manna
“As I mentioned before, I love gay people. I love my children also, so I will certainly scold them or tell them if they are doing something harmful. There is a major difference between judging and correcting, as the Bible states to do. Sometimes the guilty feel they are being judged when no one is judging at all. I understand that.”
do you believe your children are going to hell? how about gay people? answer that honestly and logically, and then i’ll decide who is judging whom.
bitch please on September 1st, 2009 at 3:09 pm | Link
HGTV is great for tips, but seeing all the gay people really is sickening. Especially the couples. Don’t they know how odd and ridiculous they look? And the one gay designer that speaks with the lisp, the color splash guy, he’s repulsively gay. I watched that show once and never again.
Mary Claiborne on September 1st, 2009 at 5:42 pm | Link
This has truly saddened me. People will go out of their way to rip apart one section of people because their bible says “it’s not okay”. We are sitting on a all-but anonymous message board ripping eachother apart- that shows neither integrity nor that we really stand behind what we say.
We sit complacently while other ‘crimes’ happen. I don’t see any (gay and straight and christian alike) of us walking around holding signs protesting murder. Or the adultery that could be happening in our own homes. Or the fact that babies are dying from hunger in other countries. Or even the fact that your neighbor might be kicking his dog to death. So few of us do the right thing. I truly believe that if God is watching this mess he is thinking “Wow, this is so not what I had intended for ANY of you.” Gay people have to fight for their rights- under a government that should not have anything to do with religion. As for this board, I think we could all find better ways of making this world a better place, a less sinful place, a less hateful place. I won’t be back to check this- although I’m sure so many of you will rip me apart in my absence. I just felt compelled to say something.
Thanks.
Jamie on September 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 am | Link
If you notice, on any boards, its always the gays ripping everyone else and their beliefs, often resorting to name-calling such as “bigot” “hate-filled” etc. Mocking God and the Bible as “myths” etc. If I were a Christian I would be highly offended by them.
Jimbo on September 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 am | Link
Christianity is like all the other myths and hoaxes; dogma built around paranoia, and fear. Ways “Christian leaders” can control their sex lives, their pocketbooks, their voting habits, and more. They are among the most hateful in the world. They hate Jews, and in fact, anyone who is not in their particular denomination of Christianity.
This is NOT a Christian nation! You want to live in a theocracy? Try Iran, where they regularly execute homosexuals and Christians. Keep your hatred inside your churches.
Soit is okay for you to bash homosexuals - but they are supposed to keep their mouths shut?
Go get a blowjob from your prudish wife. Then you won’t feel so jealous!
Scooter, you are yet another person giving gays a bad name. Gays bash, bash, bash. Get the log out of your own eye before you point the log in your brother’s eye. Homosexuality is sin. Deal with it, we’re all forced to.
Jimbo on September 12th, 2009 at 9:05 am | Link
Hmmm, Scooter sounds like one of those hate-filled bigots the gays are always calling everyone.
Janice on September 12th, 2009 at 9:15 am | Link
I am a straight woman with a boyfriend and we love watching HGTV. Guess what we also love? Seeing diversity on television. It’s awesome to see gay and lesbian couples portrayed in a REAL way.
To the people bashing on HGTV and the LGBT community:
You are Christian or follow those beliefs, but THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, NOOOOT THE CHRISTIAN STATES OF AMERICA.
We having a CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS that defines our nation as SECULAR. And not ****ing everybody is Christian! Yeah, 77% of Americans are Christian (number is from 2007, so it is lower today with the number going down EVERY YEAR), but most of them are NOT EVEN CLOSE to agreeing with you.
Get the **** over yourself.
I love how so many of you are complaining about only 10% of the population being homosexual and TV featuring a disproportionate number of people (bull****, btw).
What about black people? Hispanics? Asian-Americans? Practically everybody on TV is a WASP (BET doesn’t even begin to change that, all you racists who want to pounce on me).
You all give Christians such a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE rep.
Go back to watching Fox News and leave the rest of TV for the sane people.
To all the people who commented here to defend themselves and their friends, THIS ALLY IS WITH YOU. Keep being true to yourself and know that you are loved.
Me on September 19th, 2009 at 11:58 pm | Link
Good Lord woman, get over yourself. And wash you mouth out with soap. If you’re an ally, I’d rather have enemies.
Lucas on September 20th, 2009 at 4:39 am | Link
This is not a Christian nation, no matter what your god at your church pulpit says. I don’t want to live under a theocracy. It;s a known fact that Christians are among the worst haters anyway.
This IS a Christian nation. Deal with it. If you don’t want to live here, move. Don’t you believe in tolerance?
Jason on September 20th, 2009 at 11:40 am | Link
Thank God it ain’t a gay nation, no matter how hard HGTV tries.
Mason on September 20th, 2009 at 11:46 am | Link
Ruth and Naomi
Ruth 1:16-17 and 2:10-11 describe their close friendship Perhaps the best known passage from this book is Ruth 1:16-17 which is often read out during opposite-sex and same-sex marriage and union ceremonies:
“Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God. Where you die I will die, and there I will be buried. May the Lord deal with me, be it ever so severely, if anything but death separates you and me.” (NIV)
Ruth 1:14, referring to the relationship between Ruth and Naomi, mentions that “Ruth clave onto her.” (KJV) The Hebrew word translated here as “clave” is identical to that used in the description of a heterosexual marriage in Genesis 2:24: ” Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.” (KJV)
milwaukeewi on September 26th, 2009 at 8:42 am | Link
1 Samuel 18:3-4
“And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt.” (NIV)
Since people in those days did not wear underwear, Jonathan stripped himself naked in front of David. That would be considered extremely unusual behavior (then and now) unless their relationship was physical.
milwaukeewi on September 26th, 2009 at 8:45 am | Link
Sorry, since this forum has gotten way off topic, I just had to stir it up some more. I stand by the rule that ONLY God has the power to judge. Your job is to remember to and love each other as our God loves us.
Peace out!
milwaukeewi on September 26th, 2009 at 8:47 am | Link
I love gay people, but taking these Scriptures of Naomi and David and trying to spin a homosexual angle is completed off base. Men are naked in locker rooms every day and it doesn’t mean they’re gay.
We can agree to disagree, it’s OK. But obviously, the Bible calls homosexuality a sin, clearly and simply. But rest assured, the Bible says we ALL sin, just in different forms. But gay people, please understand, homosexuality is indeed sinful and will never, ever be recognized as normal.
James on September 26th, 2009 at 8:55 am | Link
“Jeremiah 13:23: “Can an Ethiopian change the color of his skin? Can a leopard take away its spots? Neither can you start doing good, for you have always done evil.”
At least one white supremacist group interprets this passage as implying that one cannot start with a Black-White interracial couple and produce White offspring. 2 However the clear sense of the verse appears to be that if a person has habitually committed evil deeds, it is almost impossible for them to change completely and start going only good.”
So James I assume you are against interracial marriage and divorce just as much as you are against homosexuality? Can you please let me know the last time you picketed a interracial marriage? My point is that the bible is against (and for) a lot of things. Society evolves just as God intended.
milwaukeewi on September 26th, 2009 at 5:24 pm | Link
You are in error on two fronts. You are quoting an Old Testament Scripture which is replaced by the New Testament, and it has nothing to do being a homosexual and denying it is a sin
James on September 26th, 2009 at 5:29 pm | Link
By the way I can keep going with verses from the bible. It is kind of important to read the entire book, just not learn a few quotes that fit YOUR beliefs. God bless being raised Southern Baptist, and going to religious schools.
milwaukeewi on September 26th, 2009 at 5:31 pm | Link
James, please stop. Milwaukeewi presented your very own scriptures and you protest. You cannot pick and choose from The Bible. You either believe The Bible or you don’t. There is no middle ground in Christianity.
James, “me,” Lucas, and your like-kind: Thankfully, you don’t run the world. Your hate is toxic and I suspect you’ll succumb to your own poison in time.
HGTV: Love your programming, and I like to see gay men and lesbian women on your shows. But I don’t like Tatiana’s Property Shop. Not a fun show to watch. She makes me feel stressed out when I’m simply trying to relax a bit.
MooseMeat Sandwich on September 27th, 2009 at 1:08 pm | Link
And “Property Virgins’” host, Sandra Rinomato doesn’t have the personality to pull off this show successfully. I turn the channel.
MooseMeat Sandwich on September 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Link
Since it is not good to pick and choose Scripture:
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Leviticus 18:22 ESV / 15 helpful votes
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
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Leviticus 20:13 ESV / 12 helpful votes
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV / 8 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Morgan on September 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm | Link
Who wants Scripture?
You may not have sex relations with men, as you do with women: it is a disgusting thing.
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Remember, don’t pick and choose!
Chris K on September 27th, 2009 at 1:51 pm | Link
Morgan,
The word “homosexual” was only coined in the mid 1800s. Therefore, The Bible, as yours reads today, is incorrect and represents an alteration of the original writings.
I’m tired of you “Christians” referring to the Old Testament when it suits you and denying it when it doesn’t. You’ve discredited yourself, Morgan.
Smell ya later!
MooseMeat Sandwich on September 27th, 2009 at 4:24 pm | Link
Ok let’s agree this thread “Jumped the Shark” a while ago. Also, the point in sharing the quotes against interracial marriage is to show you that a belief system that was accepted as biblical , (please review history of interracial marriage) society evolved to accept interracial marriage even though you can use the bible against it. The same will happen with gay marriage as well. You can hold back the tide a little with hate speech, but it is a little too late to turn back the tide. (6 states approved and more coming)
I also have to say that cherry picking the bible is a very bitter sport. Focus your passion on adultery (top ten in the bible by the way) and divorce rates for all couples. If you did that you actually may make a positive impact.
Moosemeat, thanks for trying to get it back on track.
milwaukeewi on September 28th, 2009 at 4:16 am | Link
I watched “Color Splash” last night… the show where David has a surprise visit from his sister and brother-in-law. I don’t care that David is gay. I’m straight but I believe that being gay is okay. What I do mind very much is that David did nearly the entire show without his shirt on. His jeans were hanging down below his hips most of the time.. What is that all about? For crying out loud if you are on a national television show at least put a damn shirt on. Everyone else was dressed. It seemed like David was trying to be seductive. That is just not appropriate for a design show. The producers of the show really ought to look into that.
Eleanor Grant on October 14th, 2009 at 1:33 pm | Link
MooseMeat Sandwich:
I am by no means a “hateful” person. I just get really, really, REALLY pissed off when people try to push their view of the Bible on everyone else. I get sick of the minority of Christians (who seem to be frequenting this post) giving everyone a bad name. Call that hate if you will.
Lucas:
I politely decline getting over myself, since there doesn’t seem to be anything to get over. I also decline washing my mouth out with soap and will go ahead and pour some straight-up tabasco in there. If you’re offended by three starred-out swear words on the INTERNET, then you need to get out of your house more.
Jason and Mason:
Ohh, that’s just plain sad.
Cheer up, Care Bears. Put a smile on your face and do your own damn thing. Change the channel if you don’t like what’s on.
Me on October 17th, 2009 at 7:38 pm | Link
Religion is based on paranoia, fear, and hate. Each religion says it is right and the rest are wrong. This is not a Christian nation and I wouldn’t want to live anywhere the government is based on some religion.
It certainly isn’t a gay nation. Homosexuality is a immoral sickness.
James on October 29th, 2009 at 7:14 pm | Link
Gay people are disgusting. They are name-calling perverts. I turn off any HGTV problem with a gay person on it and I always will. To try to call what they do to each other normal is ridiculous. It will never be considered normal no matter if someone is athesist, Christian, Muslim or whatever. Calling out Christians is stupid. You’d have to call out everyone who thinks homos are disgusting freaks and that’s quite a few people. Don’t mean to upset the gay apple cart, but that’s the way it is and always will be.
Carrie on October 29th, 2009 at 7:18 pm | Link
I am a heterosexual male who happens to enjoy home design and decorating. I also enjoy hunting, fishing, football and hanging out with the guys. I think one’s chances of being born as a homosexual are about the same as being born as a pedophile. Why do some people believe that it’s okay to be gay but wrong to be a pedophile….maybe pedophiles are born that way too? The point is…your not born that way….it’s a chosen act! The environment you grow up in can certainly contribute to your choice, but it is a choice. HGTV is helping to promote the homosexual lifestyle by making it look like homosexual couples are normal…..their not! If you know anything about the birds and the bees, then you know that homosexuality is not normal…duah! As for changing the channel….yeah, I do that….a lot. Advertisers take note…..when the shows turn to gay couples; I don’t see your expensive ads. If the majority of those of us who are “normal” heterosexuals do the same, I bet we will see some programming changes right away.
Gary on October 31st, 2009 at 10:42 pm | Link
I have nothing against Homosexual; Talent is talent. My complains is not the talented designers is the families they gathered to show their homes that bothers me. It is so obvious HGTV purposely pushes the Gay Agenda by chosing in almost every show (at least the last two months since I notice) gay couples.
There are some people who I believe are truly gay; Most of the rest is a Lifestyle only. I know many who don’t even know what they like;but they enjoy both. That is a life style.
HGTV STOP STOP!!!! The lalented Gay people with his her own show is one thing; but the rest isn’t necessary. You will lose audiences. I for once will abandon HGTV because I feel insulted that they need to do this campaing. We are not stupid. We know what you are doing. Once in a while to show a gay couple is normal; but to do it daily in many shows is too obvious.
STAY OUT of this effort to brainwash people into believing this is normal. It is real life but not acceptable in every household. Stay with the businees you were created for “Home Improvement”.
Carla on November 1st, 2009 at 1:59 pm | Link
I like HGTV but why is it so gay. I mean they have so many gay people on that show. I understand that many designers are gay, that’s fine, but when they have shows like House Hunters and the couple that is looking for a house to buy is almost always gay. Come on HGTV don’t become the gay channel of cable tv. It make me want to stop watching and I do like the programming.
Steve on November 2nd, 2009 at 9:42 am | Link
It is normal. Change the channel, move on. Not your life to judge my dear.
Danielle on November 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm | Link
No it is NOT normal. All these gay people. HGTV listen up. Get all those gays off your network.
Steve on November 13th, 2009 at 5:52 pm | Link
To all those who don’t like to see gay Americans on HGTV:
SCREW.
David in Chelsea, MA on November 13th, 2009 at 6:03 pm | Link
Same to you David. HGTV is the Gay Cable Channel.
Steve on November 15th, 2009 at 7:20 pm | Link
Homosexuality is not a choice. Christianity is.
TolerantAndSTRAIGHT on November 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pm | Link
Right back at ya, Stevie boy.
This is a fun game.
David in Chelsea, MA on November 21st, 2009 at 6:42 pm | Link
testing
test on November 24th, 2009 at 9:42 am | Link
While I find much of this debate spurious, I find myself entering the fray. I do not do this anonymously, either; I am proud of who I am and what I have to say.
HGTV - remember how this mess began? - is wholly owned by the E.W. Scripps Company, which most definitely does not promote a “gay agenda” and whose chairman contributes to the Republican National Committee. In any given population, roughly ten percent is gay; HGTV’s representation of gays is comparable to this statistic.
Bringing Christianity and the Bible into the discussion is something of a red herring; this is not a Christian country and, in fact, the U.S. Constitution expressly dictates the separation of church and state. Nevertheless, I’ll give my two cents’ worth.
First, the Old Testament was originally composed in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek. Biblical, Hebrew and Greek scholars provide widely different translations to the languages, hence there are more than a few versions of the Bible. Let me repeat: the text is open to interpretation based on different translations given by different scholars.
As for the New Testament, Paul’s letters provide the only mention of homosexuality, and once again their translation produces varying results; Paul’s words in Romans 1:26-27 quite possible refer to lust. And while Corinthians condemns malakoi and arsencoites, translating those words as “homosexuality” is erroneous. I encourage everyone to read Biblical scholar David Malick’s thesis on this subject at http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/romans_malick.pdf
Finally, Christians need to realize the Bible is the product of the times in which it was written; much of the text is a treatise on Hebrew and, later Church law, dogmatic to the core.
Surely, Christians must recognize the absence of any mention of lesbianism; does this not seem a rather gross omission and a contradiction of their argument?
Until fairly recently, Christians proclaimed interracial marriage a sin, and they soon found themselves on shaky theological ground. In due time, it crumbled beneath their feet. And in due course, the condemnation of homosexuality will crumble away as well.
Tricia L. Edge on November 24th, 2009 at 10:17 am | Link
Lest anyone claim I left out that passage most often quoted in the argument that homosexuality is a sin, Leviticus 18:22, I have a few words on that issue. First, the literal translation of this verse from Hebrew is: “And with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman.” Obviously, this literal translation, like much of the Bible, does not make much sense in English. Therefore, biblical scholars have inserted words or entirely rewritten the passage in order to produce text which makes sense in English. For example, inserting the words “as the” into the line produces: “And with a male…lay [as the] lyings of a woman” which, in turn, has been simplified into “You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman.” On the other hand, inserting two different words, “in the,” produces: “And with a male…lay [in the] lyings of a woman.” In other words, two men may not engage in sexual behavior in a woman’s bed, as it was considered sacred by the ancient Israelites.
If Leviticus 18:22 is further examined in the context of the entire chapter, the modern interpretation of the verse is even less conclusive. The verse preceding 18:22 discusses the worship of Pagan gods, Molech in particular. Leviticus 18:22 is most often presented in isolation, where it may be used to represent a condemnation of homosexual behavior between males. However, considered in the context of its surrounding chapters and previous verse, Leviticus 18:22 more logically refers to some forbidden idolatrous activity in a Pagan temple, in which the Israelites must not engage.
If biblical text is going to be presented as evidence homosexual activity is sinful, then I prefer to fight fire with fire.
Tricia L. Edge on November 25th, 2009 at 8:43 am | Link
To all you homophobic Christians:
You claim to not want to expose your children to our sinful disgusting lifestyle? Well, you are teaching your children to hate and discriminate. Your religion preaches hate. The Catholic church is a bully of an organization. If you actually educate yourself on the organization you define yourself by, you will see that they have killed many people to force their beliefs. They’ve orchestrated smear campains and stolen other faiths’ idols, symbols, and rituals. They devalue women, and teach their followers that their god is vengeful and intolerant. Homosexuals are just people. Nothing about our lifestyles is hateful or perverted. You are all narrow-minded and ignorant. The god I believe in is a fair and loving god. Yours probably condemned you to go to hell a long time ago since apparently everything is a sin. We should all live by one rule: Make yourself happy without hurting others. As for HGTV, I really don’t see what’s so different about shows featuring homosexuals. Is it something about the way we decorate or renovate? Are our color schemes too faggoty or dykey? This is just the type of ignorant crap I’d expect from redneck Americans.
m-e on December 22nd, 2009 at 5:04 am | Link
Yea, whatever m-e. HGTV WAS a good network now they are nothing but the Gay Cable Network. Sometimes the gay couple appear ok but other times they are flaming. Boycott HGTV. Nothing but a bunch of gayboys.
Steve on December 28th, 2009 at 12:58 pm | Link
As a gay man I am observant of a same sex couples in a program. It is nice to see a gay couple appear in an episode. The appearances are certainly not the majority, but nice to see. There is a House Hunters commercial where the guy says to his wife (or girlfriend) “I thought they were brothers.” She replies “They are so not brothers”. That is the only commercial with any gay reference that I know of. Many of the straight couples kiss at the end of the episodes when they have purchased a house or finished a project, I have never seen a same sex couple kiss on HGTV.
The 10% figure comes from the Kinsey studies of sexuality (1948 and 1953) where 11.5 % of the males and 7 % of females had some homosexual tendencies (on a 5 point scale). Because of society pressures (like people being told that homosexuality is an abomination) many do not identify themselves as gay. - A bald man can put on a toupee, it does not stop him from being bald. Just as some one who has an attraction to the same sex and they suppress there feelings, it does not make them straight. - The percentage of people that identify themselves as gay is slowly rising because the stigma is waining. Additionally the U.S. is a melting pot and as cultures make it in to our culture their ideals do too. Homosexuality is much less an issue in Europe then in the states. The abomination reference is a Christian one, I belong to a religion that does not treat homosexuals as such and I am guaranteed that right because of the 1st amendment: Freedom of Religion.
To the question of if there is a “homosexual agenda”, absolutely. Equal to the Christian agenda, the Black Agenda, the asian agenda, the Hispanic agenda etc.. Our ethnicities all have needs and wants. The ‘gay agenda’ just happens to be a hot spot right now, like 40 years ago interracial marriages was a hot spot and it was illegal in most of the U.S.
Finally as to christian children being influenced by HGTV (First, if your 10 year old boy is watching HGTV, I think you lost that battle already). Secondly HGTV is not a close second in influence of nature and puberty. As gay kids find themselves, some will come out in their teens, some as an an adult and some not at all. But the latter group is getting smaller and smaller.
Matt Zurek on January 3rd, 2010 at 10:01 pm | Link
What a totally NON Christian thing to write…such a homophobe…i feel sorry for you. its a wonderful show and I enjoy seeing REAL gay couples get into wonderful houses that make them feel good about life…obviously you DONT feel good about your life and have to be judgemental against others…you are sad!
steve on January 24th, 2010 at 3:20 pm | Link
Jeez, where are some of you people from? My partner and I watch HGTV all the time and have occasionally seen gay couples on there, but the majority are by far straight couples. Like it or not, gay couples do buy homes, pay taxes, and do their part to keep the economy moving. If you dislike gay people, that’s your problem. My partner and I have been together in a loving and commited relationship for slightly over 30 years. We know it’s love and we know it’s real, no matter what the radical right-wing extremists have to say about it. Don’t take your freedoms for granted in this great land in which we live. If you don’t like something you’re watching on TV, change the channel. That’s why God made remotes.
Stephen on January 25th, 2010 at 2:58 pm | Link
Just curious why this has become a forum to discuss whether homosexuality is right or wrong? If you don’t agree with homosexuality and don’t like subjecting yourself to it why do enter all these websites about gay people and comment on how it is an abomination or whatever? Personally, if I think something is abominable I try to avoid it. Yet any website that mentions homosexuality, there are all these people who don’t like it leaving comment after comment. If you don’t like it hit the back button, I don’t see why these people who hate homosexuals go out of their way to comment on every website about it. Makes me think they have secrets. Anyways, HGTV is a great program with great people. We should all love each other no matter what. Isn’t that what Christ died for?
Colby on January 27th, 2010 at 9:53 pm | Link
I found the link to this complaint via a google search on “why are there so many gays on HGTV”. I made that search because gays represent about 1% of America but they are about 25% of the couples on HGTV. They are also over represented on several other channels like Bravo and Food Network. I think that all of these networks are owned by one common company but I’m absolutely certain about that.
Why don’t the gays (all 1% of them) get the GAY Channel (100% Gays 100% of the Time) and let the remaining 99% of us normal people watch normal couples and indiviuals?
Crazy
Odis on February 2nd, 2010 at 8:40 pm | Link
Odis, why do you care? Why not just enjoy the show?
Stephen on February 7th, 2010 at 1:06 pm | Link
The Gays have the Logo channel. All those gay decorating show should move to that channel. Listen up HGTV, dump the gay shows.
Steve on February 8th, 2010 at 6:26 pm | Link
Steve, they’re not gay shows. They’re shows. Try living in the real world.
Stephen on February 8th, 2010 at 6:38 pm | Link
Are lesbians able to procreate? If not, then how, on “house hunters”, is the “couple” expecting a daughter? This is a glaring example of HGTV’s slant to promote the homosexual lifestyle. How can two “women” naturally impregnate one another?
Stephen on February 18th, 2010 at 10:14 am | Link
OMG! Homosexuals are moving into the neighborhood, cleaning it up, and increasing property values. This is an outrage!
Stephen on February 18th, 2010 at 10:58 am | Link
I am watching 50,000 bathroom renovations in Albany, NY. Do you suppose the realtor could have worn anything lower to show off more boob? Why do you continue to show female realtors and home owners (actively doing renovations)with VERY low tops on. I don’t know about you but when I want to tear a wall down I don’t wear sleeveless tanks with v necks down to my belly button.
Marilyn on February 26th, 2010 at 10:56 pm | Link
Increasing property values? No way, time to move out of the neighborhood. HGTV = Gay Channel.
Steve on March 5th, 2010 at 6:17 am | Link
“People who don’t read the Bible often quote Old Testament scripture as a means of trying to disprove the Bible. The New Testament replaces the Old Testament and states that shellfish is fine to eat.”
Okay, so when the “Bible, 2nd Edition” came out it changed some of its rules, and its followers now believe in the 2nd Edition, and no longer believe in the 1st Edition. Well then. Why don’t they come out with a 3rd Edition? That way they could update it to better reflect today’s world, and they could make anything they want as acceptable.
Fin on March 24th, 2010 at 3:53 pm | Link
THOSE OF YOU WHO DONT WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO WATCH GAY PEOPLE ON TV:: move to the moon or some other far away place.
you live in EARTH where so many things can happen. your children will have a gay classmate..or your child can be gay!
what is the problem? apparently god is not doing anythign about it because they exist.
leave them alone, and go after pedophiles, after politicians, and cooporations who harm us everyday! not the gay community.
candela on March 27th, 2010 at 8:56 am | Link
Here is a better idea Candela, why don’t all the gay people move to the moon. Why should we have to see them on TV and out in public being all lovey dovey. It disgusts me to see two gay boys holding hands or embracing in public.
Steve on April 15th, 2010 at 5:41 am | Link
Fags suck, and are going to hell. Improve that!!!!
Tanya on May 6th, 2010 at 5:23 pm | Link
I really like HGTV for all the real estate shows featured. No matter what the network or show, if interior design is the topic, there will be at least one stereotypical gay man featured. Not that there is anything wrong with that! (God bless the Seinfeld writers!)
My observation is HGTV goes out of their way to show obviously gay male couples looking for places to live, mostly in some exotic location around the world. Often it is a second or vacation home. Seems like they do this in about every other house hunting type show. I have no idea where they find these gay male couples to follow around, but it does seem that HGTV is pushing some sort of agenda.
I suppose another possibility exists that gay men don’t have the financial anchors put upon a typical male/female partnership. Namely, children! The gay male couples featured on HGTV seem to be financially successful enough to be able to afford to pick up that vacation home at a relatively young age compared to the male/female counterparts who seem to be typically in their early retirement years.
The question: Are there that many successful gay male couples out there that HGTV is overwhelmed with letters from them saying, “Hey come follow us around while we look for a villa in Spain!” OR does HGTV want it’s audience to think that? If the former is true, damn me for not choosing a homosexual lifestyle early in life! Just kidding, I couldn’t be gay. Not that there would be anything wrong with it if I were!
One last question: Where the hell are all the female couples in comfortable shoes buying villas in Spain on HGTV? I understand why there are few attractive lesbian couples successful enough to be featured. Most are strippers with a drug problem. Not that there is anything wrong with that!
El Guapo on May 8th, 2010 at 5:18 pm | Link
maybe the ceo.or whatever is the term for the highest status of the channel is a homosexual.
candela on May 8th, 2010 at 5:26 pm | Link
I totally agree with the complaint. IT’S 1% OF THE POPULATION AND GAY COUPLES ON HGTV EVERY DAY?!!! Give us a break. Why don’t you just announce that you’d like to kill the nuclear family and change the name - Home-wrecking and Garden TV.
AS TO CHANGING THE CHANNEL — what’s left to watch that is “family friendly”? HGTV is supposed to be harmless. It’s homes and gardens… why the sex agenda? Because you know the homosexual agenda is not about family life, but sexual free-for-all. Next pedophilia couples?
Lisa on May 11th, 2010 at 6:42 pm | Link
http://www.adherents.com/adh_dem.html
This site states that 1.5% of the population of the U.S. self-identifies as gay, lesbian or bisexual, and the sources cited are thorough (and the sources are “gay-friendly” organizations as well)
The challenge I have with HGTV is that the gay representation is WAY above 1.5%. 1.5% for the math challenged would be one and a half guests/home-buyers/re-decorators per 100. My sense of it (without actually studying the matter) is that the representation on the network is easily 25-30%, possibly 20x the actual demographic.
This can’t happen accidentally, so it has to be agenda-driven. Either HGTV feels there is some wrong to be righted here, or they are interested in propagating the homosexual agenda. (And, as someone already quoted from Seinfeld, “not that there’s anything wrong with that”) They, and their viewers, should at least acknowledge it for what it is.
Puzzled on May 25th, 2010 at 12:45 pm | Link
while I remain that I have no issue with homosexuals ( they are not pedophiles, this is ignorant of many of you) I do think that they do over do it. Not all of us who watch the channel are gay. But in terms of fashion and decorations, gays might feel in their waters. Nothing wrong with that.
but many fashion designers who are men are gay. so what are you guys gonna do? I guess you should make your own clothes.
candela on May 25th, 2010 at 5:18 pm | Link
Candela, once again you have shown in your messages how stupid you are.
Steve on May 29th, 2010 at 6:29 pm | Link
True…everybody has a right to live how they see fit. God gives us that freedom. But, with freedom, comes responsibility, and consequence. God is not a hater..he loves people. However, he abhors the sin. If we lived in a society with no laws and no consequence, where would we be. There has to be laws..and penalties. A gay acquaintance told me that most gay people are gay because of their gay tendencies. I have had tendencies to cheat on my wife..I chose against it. Many have tendencies to steal, they decide against it. Serial murders say they gave in to their tendencies to kill…does it make it ok?God loves gay people. However, he despises their sin. If there was no consequence and penalty, he would not be a just God. A judge who will not punish those who break the law is not doing justice.A parent who does not punish children who do wrong is not a good parent. And, yes, have no doubt..there IS a heaven, and a hell. Do not fall for the lie of the deceiver, and believe his lie that hell doesnt exist. We are ALL headed there..none of us is worthy. Only through the grace of God..and the covering of sins through His Son, are we made clean. And yes, that grace covers gay people as well. Ask Christ to come into your life. He will set things straight. I dont want to make this too long. Its very simple. God makes it simple. May the truth, grace, and peace of the King touch you all.
jas on June 19th, 2010 at 2:19 pm | Link
Puke! It’s those of you who blindly support the evils of most organized religions that are destined to go to hell. The church masks its evils in a veil of faith. Jesus was a tree hugging gay-friendly hippie. You’re drunk with the appeal of fitting in. Pray for your own soul for once…you probably need it more! BTW…it’s just a TV show…get over it.
LOL on June 23rd, 2010 at 8:20 am | Link
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:27
And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
1 Timothy 1:10
The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
This is from the Holy Bible…the Word of God. After reading this, when Your day comes, You Cannot say now, that you were never told. And the day will come sooner than you know or want. Its up to you now..
jas on June 23rd, 2010 at 3:51 pm | Link
You believe I’m going to hell. I believe you follow the devil in disguise. Let’s agree to disagree. HGTV is on and I want to watch House Hunters. Maybe I’ll get a glimpse of some lesbos or gays. While you pass judgement on others I’ll be getting ideas to stage my home for sale someday.
LOL on June 23rd, 2010 at 7:11 pm | Link
Far, far, far too many gays on HGTV. Outside of West Hollywood and San Fran, there are very few homosexuals. I do believe 1 to 2 percent is correct. HGTV is obviously run by homosexuals trying to advance their agenda. This has nothing to do with churches or Christians, it’s just obvious. The color splash guy, I can’t stand to see his face, he’s sickening. I instantly turn the channel when he pops up. Don’t these HGTV people know that real men find these feminine guys totally disgusting?
Marcus445 on July 3rd, 2010 at 6:15 pm | Link
Like it or not, I feel like HGTV is trying to force homosexuality on EVERYONE. I realize there are gays and lesbians in the world, but they are not the only ones who appreciate good design nor are they the majority in society. I preferred HGTV “back in the day” when it was about design and not who people are living with. I could say a whole lot more, but I see that there are a lot of offended people who go on attack when you don’t agree with their way of life. And yes, I turn the channel when I can’t take it anymore, but I should be able to watch a design show without having to view anything that is against my beliefs.
Amaziq67 on July 10th, 2010 at 10:41 pm | Link
I have written them twice the first time 1 half years ago for help my Daughter had caravel cancer and ask that, they help her get her home fixed up because it was stressing her out. I hard nothing from them then last week I wrote about my Daughter again because my granddaughter bedroom. It was needing fixed the electric is really messed up to ware we are worry and can’t let her in the room they have not wrote me back with even a kiss our ass. I thank they are just for the got there noses stuck up in the air rich people plus Gay’s & lesbian’s.
How can they get you to buy there junk they push to sell if you can’t afford it to talk to us we are to good for the anyone making less then 10k (poor folk.)
They SUCK they STINK and I am quitting watching there show NOW!
Wanda on July 12th, 2010 at 8:06 am | Link
I love this thread….it brightens my day with reminders that I’m not nearly as messed up as the bigots, hatemongers and religious zealots that just can’t seem to live and let live.
LOL on July 12th, 2010 at 11:01 am | Link
Yep, everyone that thinks homosexuality is disgusting or a sin is a bigot.
Either agree with the homosexuals or be called names by the homosexuals. Great way to try to be “accepted” - name calling. Do I think homosexuality is any less disgusting because you call me a bigot? That’s ridiculous.
Micahelw on July 12th, 2010 at 11:10 pm | Link
I bet more than 50% of the people on HGTV are gays. Come on, enough is enough HGTV. I think they should be Homo and Gay Television. When are you going to stop! Boycott HGTV, no more GAYS.
Steve on July 13th, 2010 at 4:29 pm | Link
I stopped watching long ago. They obviously have gay agenda and I personally find it offensive.
DennisK on July 13th, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Link
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straight joe on July 28th, 2010 at 6:30 pm | Link
So sad to see this country devolving instead of evolving. Religious extremism will be America’s downfall. As far as gays and lesbians on HGTV, I have never seen them so much as even kiss or hold hands. On the other hand, heterosexual couples are almost always performing these public displays of affection.
Personally, I think all of you whining homophobes should have the full force of the dreaded “gay agenda” shoved down your throats (so to speak) until you choke on it. But that’s just me.
Stephen on July 30th, 2010 at 1:21 pm | Link
Stephen: We do have the gay agenda shoved down out throats and we are tired of it. That’s all we hear. What states have adopted gay marriage, HGTV and their gay boys, etc. Enough is enough with all this gay stuff. It is NOT normal.
Steve on July 30th, 2010 at 3:16 pm | Link
Steve, it’s perfectly normal for gay people. I think you just need to throw a party, invite a few gay people, and celebrate diversity.
Stephen on July 30th, 2010 at 7:43 pm | Link
Actually I am gay and I am offended by all the blatant heterosexual inuendos I see on HGTV. Don’t you know decorating is a GAY thing? My children always ask me why is that man and women sleeping in the same bed and I don’t know what to say. I have to tell them that they don’t know better. They don’t know their way of life is dirty and immoral. I wish they would show more normal relationships on HGTV. The ones GOD intended between two men or two women.
Scott on July 31st, 2010 at 11:38 am | Link
Then you shouldn’t lie to your child. Gay is completely abnormal. If that’s the best you can talk to a child, then you shouldn’t have adopted it or had it developed in someone’s womb or whatever abnormal way you had a child. Because the normal way is between a man and a woman, has been since the beginning of humankind. If that’s dirty to you, you have more problems than just being gay.
HenryO on July 31st, 2010 at 4:56 pm | Link
Gay is A-O-K.
Stephen on July 31st, 2010 at 7:15 pm | Link
Scott: Two men/women together is disgusting. Period. You have mental issues telling your children that it is ok. Being gay is NOT A–O-K. All of you need help.
Steve on August 5th, 2010 at 7:38 am | Link
I also have noticed more and more gay couples on HGTV lately. I don’t particularly like this but I do still watch. Since this has become a discussion on homosexuality, I have a question about it. I am not a religious person AT ALL, but I do know that nature is a good indicator that homosexuality is not normal. If it were, then animals would be doing it too. I believe homosexuality is a sexual deviancy, maybe it is something that cannot be helped, but so is pedophilia and bestiality, etc. Does that mean we all have to accept these abnormal behaviors? Just because someone can’t help being attracted to young boys and girls, do we need to make special rules for them? Allow them to marry? Let them march in the streets and have pedophilia pride day? God or no God, If homosexuality were “normal” the human race would cease to exist. Also, one of the many benefits of being in a heterosexual marriage is the ability to have children. If you are gay then this isn’t part of your so called lifestyle. I really don’t believe children should be subjected to this lifestyle because it is hard enough growing up as it is. Oh, and by the way, I have had many gay co-workers, neighbors, friends, etc.
Jenny on August 17th, 2010 at 10:27 am | Link
Gay people need mental help. It is not normal. It is wrong. Do not subject children to your warped lifestyle. Gay marriage should be banned in this country. It is disgusting. Get help now.
Steve on August 19th, 2010 at 2:25 pm | Link
I have a couple of points to make. Firstly, there are way more straight couples depicted on HGTV than gay couples, in fact I would say just about 90/10… although, given that so many gay people are in the closet, how do we know for sure that there isn’t a higher percentage? Next, I would like to say that, as a lesbian myself, it is very hard to constantly have to be subjected to so many television shows, films, advertisements, songs, and books that in some way emphasize a heterosexual lifestyle. For a moment, imagine yourself in my shoes, and imagine that all this media, instead of being primarily heterosexual, was primarily homosexual. How would that make you feel? More than likely, you would feel insignificant and under-represented. You would feel like your life and your rights didn’t matter to those in charge of such content. Well, that’s how I feel on a daily basis. So I would like to say, THANK YOU HGTV for representing gay couples on your channel, and thereby acknowledging that we are all human beings with homes, gardens, and families, no matter whom we end up sharing a life with.
Christine on August 21st, 2010 at 9:38 pm | Link
I am not gay, I love watching design and demo shows, and the gay personalities on the show do not bother me in the least.
If you really want to look upon their presence on the screen as an undo influence, consider that David Bromstad shares the screen with at least TWO other designers or craftspeople and their sexuality does not seem to be in question (or gay IMO). I agree with others who say if you really did the math the proportion of seemingly gay persons on HGTV is not out of line with real life — it’s only out of line with most television shows.
I too have wondered if this is part of an intentional “agenda” by HGTV. That’s how I found this thread.
But actually what got me thinking was the preponderance of interracial couples, not gay ones.
Go figure.
Gay or straight, our society is best served by lending support to the most talented people in every line of work. Look at pro sports — it always comes down to who helps the team win more games. David Bromstad is a mind-boggling designer, and he deserves the place he’s won on design television.
We have Rembrandts and Beethovens in our midst, people. Enjoy them while they’re here.
john on August 26th, 2010 at 2:48 pm | Link
In fact, what bothers me the most about HGTV is the unwarranted preponderance of REALLY GOOD LOOKING PEOPLE on their shows.
I’m not a good judge of such things, but I’m willing to bet that most of the guys who host shows on HGTV are pretty easy on the eyes for women viewers.
I can say with certainty that Kahi Lee, Taniya Nayak, Sabrina Soto, Danielle Hirsch, and a dozen other female presenters, realtors, and craftspeople on that network are drop-dead gorgeous and sexy as all get-out.
It creates unrealistic hankerings among us ugly folk. Why should my ugly children be made to watch these good-looking people day in and day out?
It’s not natural. I’m certain that those ladies are using makeup and getting their hair done before the shoot. And it makes my kids feel like they’re supposed to look like that just because the people on TV do.
I bet no more than two percent of Americans look that good when they roll out of bed in the morning. Never mind the “ten percent” claimed by style experts.
This is an agenda pushed on us by the cosmetics industry. Or maybe creationists.
john on August 26th, 2010 at 4:18 pm | Link
Why is the noise in the background so loud. We are hard of hearing and they play the noise over the talking. We have to keep hitting the mute or change the chanel.
Shirley Klein on August 28th, 2010 at 9:16 pm | Link
Yes I have to say that Home and Garden TV should be renamed Homo and Garden TV. I understand the designers being “gay” but I get sooo sick of the house hunting butt-ugly gay couples that are paraded around as if they are as wholesome as apple pie. Give me a break. They are mostly freaks or they wouldn’t want their perversions blasted on the tube. Yech! Gives me the heeby geebies.
Mike on August 29th, 2010 at 2:32 pm | Link
i have discovered the secret of high gay content on HGTV. friend of mine who works on cable tv says producers rely on what the audience wants to see. so, where are they getting this feedback? from the gay people who sits front of computer filling out the the surveys day in and day out. they are sitting front of computer working like front line fighters promoting homosexuality is normal.
steve on September 13th, 2010 at 8:20 pm | Link
Okay. I stumbled upon this blog while Googling something about HGTV.
I am astounded at the vitriolic nature of some of the comments about gays. And as a Catholic, conservative, white, OLD, straight female, let me just say this:
1. if you don’t like what’s on the TV, change the station.
2. if you don’t like someone’s lifestyle, or religion, or politics, or sexual orientation, but it’s not being forced on you - then just go about your own life.
There are bigger problems in this world, people, than dissing what’s on HGTV.
Linda Kundinger on September 15th, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Link
If you are not a true Christian, than you won’t understand why homosexuality is wrong. And your interpretation of the Word is likely to be erred. Get a relationship with God first and understanding will come. Everyone sins, so it’s not fair to judge gays, but it is our job to try to best raise our kids with the values our Creator intended. Of course if you don’t believe in God, that means nothing. But one day you will be held accountable, so you might want to pray about it.
It is not out of hate that Christians rebuke sinful behavior, but out of love. I don’t want my kids to make the mistake of thinking gay marriages are acceptable, just like I don’t want them thinking stealing is OK, or less obvious sins like lusting and pride. I know they will end up sinning, but at least know it’s wrong and ask forgiveness.
Rick on September 16th, 2010 at 9:27 am | Link
Great post Rick.
Henery on September 16th, 2010 at 9:39 am | Link
I’m a gay Christian and totally blown away by the comments on this board. Both the Christians and non-Christians that have been posted have displayed themselves as angry people with no love or tolerance in their hearts. That is not the gospel of Christ - that is just intolerance, hatred and a lack of love for people who are different than you. It’s the same hatred that has fueled racial and religious intolerance through the centuries and continues to fuel war and terrorism today.
Stop using religion as an excuse to hate, whether you pray to Jesus or Allah or any other god - it’s still wrong. Now please excuse me, my favorite HGTV designer, Dave Bromstad, is on…and yes he’s gay!
Derek W. on September 19th, 2010 at 9:37 am | Link
Rick, Change the Channel?! Really, that’s like saying “if you don’t like seeing a store get robbed, turn your back” As a Christian, I am duty bound to speak up. I like HGTV. I’m just sad that I can’t watch it with my daughter without her saying “did those two girls just kiss?” It’s a sin. And I do not have to embrace it.
Lisa on September 19th, 2010 at 5:16 pm | Link
Speaking out against something you find completely disgusting is not hate. And to the gay Christian, Jesus loves you, but He said Himself you will not enter the gates of heaven. Think about that.
HneryO on September 19th, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Link
HneryO - it’s not surprising to see that your understanding of the bible is as limited as your narrow minded thinking. Jesus never once spoke on homosexuality - but like many “religious” people you are paraphrasing what the word says to suit your own hatred.
And Lisa - like it or not we’re not going anywhere. Your daughter will meet many gay people as she gets older and there’s a great likelihood that she will actually tolerate and maybe even accept them. But for now it appears that you control what she’s watching - so I will repeat what others have said…change the channel.
Derek W. on September 19th, 2010 at 6:14 pm | Link
Derek - You and many other homosexuals often state in error that Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. I am a theologian and the Bible clearly states that the Word is Jesus. Everything in the New Testament is Jesus, therefore his statements about homosexuals not inheriting the kingdom of God are His words. In addition, even if they those words weren’t His, wouldn’t they be the words of His father? Turn your back on your sinful ways.
HneryO on September 19th, 2010 at 6:30 pm | Link
Being gay is sick. Pushing your ways on society is even sicker. Gay people are in denial about their sin. Rather than admit they have a problem, they want normal people to accept them. If not, you’re a hater. How sad.
jasmine on September 19th, 2010 at 6:33 pm | Link
I love gay people. But if you think what you’re doing is normal or acceptable, you have much bigger problems that just being gay.
Emmet Townshend on September 19th, 2010 at 6:35 pm | Link
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 covers it:
“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
Then again, I don’t know that these sins are any different from other sins, which we all have and yet still have a way to heaven through your belief in Christ. I think all we can do is try to do our best, recognize we need God’s help, and pray about it.
Although we are in no position to throw stones, we should express our desire to see HGTV set a better example.
Rick on September 20th, 2010 at 6:16 am | Link
Wow, this comment has turned from a “Why does HGTV proactively promote the Gay Agenda?” into a theological debate.
It is very true that God’s word says the things in Ricks post seen above.
However what God is telling us is that everyone is a sinner and no one will inherit the Kingdom of God without the forgiveness of their sins.
As the script says, adulterers will not inherit the Kingdom of God and Jesus himself said that to look upon a woman with lust is equivalent to adultery, so in my opinion most every male that has ever walked the planet that has ever gone through puberty, save Jesus himself, has committed adultery by thought if not by deed.
Jesus also said that to be angry enough at someone to want to kill them is equivalent to murder itself even if you do not carry out the murder. So therefore how many people in the world are murderers by thought? By those standards I’m probably a mass murderer but am working on it and getting better as I walk with Jesus and my eyes open more and more.
Without the Blood of Jesus we are all doomed.
All that said, HGTV does actively promote the gay agenda and that my friends is a shame. No sin should be actively promoted and that is exactly what is happening all over the wold in our media.
Reb
Well said, Reb!
Rick on September 21st, 2010 at 7:05 am | Link
Being gay is a mental disorder that needs immediate medical attention. No Gay Boys on TV.
Steve on September 23rd, 2010 at 3:23 pm | Link
Wow, just read through months of this blog and am ashamed at the lack of education many of you show. People as well as many animals and even insects show homosexuality. They as well as humans are born gay. If it is a sickness to you, then gay people should recieve disability payments since this “sickness” causes them to not be able to live or work wherever and whatever jobs they want. It prevents them from wanting to expose their lives in high profile jobs so lower paying salaries have to be accepted. Gay children should get special resources and special ed services in schools since they can’t achieve as high as straight kids due to their constant thoughts of shame and humility by straight people.
Bringing religion into this is a laugh. Education will show you how rediculous the belief in God and the Bible is. This belief is just a normal human need to help us deal with the fact that we are going to die just like every other living thing. If more people realized that this is the only life, and that human life is no more special than any other life on the planet, and that when you die you are just goig to rot into the ground like everything else, then maybe they would live this one life you have to the fullest, and not spend your life wasted on this crap.
Some of you equated gay marriage to marrying animals? Are you kidding? The obvious solution to gay marriage is to get rid of the rediculous farce of marriage or at least have no special laws or tax incentives for married striaght couples. That would keep things equal. Why should a married couple get any extra financial help anyway? You have the possibility of two incomes just like any couple. If anything, single people should get tax breaks since there is only one income possible.
As to watching HGTV with or without gay people on it? I always wondered why the alleged straight male population tends to use sports as a way to stay away from their wives on weekends, when this is the only time away from work to spend with their wives, to watch a bunch of men on tv? Either they are living vicariously through the athletes, or they seem to have an infatuation with the male form. Maybe there are actually more gay men on the sports channels than on HGTV? They all seem to like to be around men quite a bit. Hmmm…
10% too high an estimate? I bet you will find that out of the 54% of divorced couples, many of them are secretly due to one of the spouses being gay. After working in a straight bar for years, you learn just how many married men with children will hit on you after a couple of beers while watching the big game.
Finally, you know what grosses me out the most? Not seeing gay couples hold hands or kiss, but the general public in all of its spandex wrapped fat and beer bellies, the lack of most of their abilities to speak even close to normal English, the laziness of the general public and the corruptness of our politicians, and the apathy of the young egneration about everything.
Please, there is so much more to worry about that is REAL!!!
Fred on October 3rd, 2010 at 8:00 am | Link
Fred:
Your post is the worst one on here. Made up of unsupportive and ridiculous stats, claiming education voids religion when it’s just the opposite…. Being gay is unnatural and many people find it utterly disgusting. Just deal with it. Trying to justify being gay by putting everyone else down just doesn’t work.
HenryO on October 3rd, 2010 at 8:34 am | Link
Unfortunately, changing the channel is exactly what we’re doing. It’s a shame — we’ve enjoyed HGTV over the years, but it seems to be changing, and pushing the gay lifestyle. I don’t need to see two women in their “wedding” photo, both in brides dresses, etc. prior to see what house they’re going to buy. That’s just over the top. I don’t have animosity toward gay people. I care about them as I care for others … but why must the issue be pushed? Why do we have to embrace the homosexual lifestyle? Heterosexualality and homosexuality can’t both be normal.
M J on October 9th, 2010 at 11:01 am | Link
Education doesn’t void religion. Religion is an important aspect of humanity since it helps us deal with our life and death, but so do many other things. Science and education should prevail eventually anyway, and religion will be a thing of the past in a distant future.
Also, why do you say homosexual lifestyle? Exactly what is it? Gay people live, work, eat, play, pay taxes, have children, get married, get divorced, are educated, are not educated, are rich, are poor, some pray, some don’t, all share the same human emotions as every other human. You can’t make something go away beacuse you don’t like it or don’t understand it. Homosexuality is a fact of humanity. Other than loving and having sexual desires for the same sex, all people seem to be pretty much the same. Their lifestyles are the same. Flaming queeny gay people are just as annoying and not representative of the majority of gay people just as lazy, fat, beer guzzlin’ NASCAR watching straight people are not a good representation of straight people. If it exists, then it is normal. Learn to live with it, change the channel, pray; do whatever it takes for you to get through the day. Stop putting your hate and ignorance on others. Evolve already! Oh wait, you don’t believe in that…therefore it doesn’t exist and is unnatural.
Fred on October 10th, 2010 at 11:45 am | Link
Its a totally normal lifestyle. Your children and you re going to run into gay people. You can just change the channel. I am a catholic and it doesn’t bother me.
anonymus on October 10th, 2010 at 2:01 pm | Link
I hope you do not tell you children it is a normal lifestyle. Gay people have a suicide rate 16 times higher than the normal population, are over 1,000 times more likely to have HIV, have 26 times more random sexual partners than the rest of the populations, are 22 times more likely to abuse drugs or alcohol, and suffer from depression over 1,000 times more per 1,000 citizens. You need to tell your children these things before allowing them to think this lifestyle is normal. That is, if you love them.
HenryO on October 10th, 2010 at 2:11 pm | Link
Wow HenryO, you are a complete idiot - your stats are obviously made up (1,000 times more depression per 1,000 citizens)…that doesn’t even make sense. Your last moronic post explains everything, you’re simply uneducated (in addition to being afraid of ideas that are different than your own).
Do your bigoted cause a favor and shut up. Seriously dude turn off the computer, turn off HGTV (they won’t miss you) and close your mouth because you’re just embarrassing.
dc on October 10th, 2010 at 2:38 pm | Link
A simple web search, as I did, would confirm that the gay lifesstyle is not all it’s cracked up to be. WOW!
HenryO on October 10th, 2010 at 2:41 pm | Link
Why is everyone who doesn’t approve of the gay life a bigot? I personally think gay sex is disgusting and repulsive and I absolutely do not want ANY of my kids to be gay. I think gay people are the real haters and bigots since everyone who doesn’t agree with them is called all sorts of dirty names. If thinking gay sex is filthy and disgraceful makes me a bigot, then what does that make the people who actually do those things?
KarenG on October 10th, 2010 at 2:44 pm | Link
The saying goes “misery loves company,” and I can’t imagine anything as miserable as a gay lifestyle. For gay people to try to persuade others, especially children that what they do is “normal” is criminal and I’m sure there’s a special place in hell for those trying to fool these children.
Judith on October 10th, 2010 at 2:47 pm | Link
HenryO, KarenG and Judith are obviously the same poster. All three of the posts are completely hateful and stupid and clearly written by the same person.
I’m guessing it’s a guy who’s dealing with a sexual identity issue of his own…good luck with that!
Like I said, please turn off your computer because now it’s just getting creepy.
dc on October 10th, 2010 at 3:09 pm | Link
Thanks for proving the point that anyone who disagrees with a gay person will called a bigot or a hater, you bigot. Here’s another stat for you, the majority of all people in the U.S., including its president are against gay marriage. You will NEVER be considered normal, no matter how many names you call. It’s not hate, it’s common sense.
HenryO on October 10th, 2010 at 3:16 pm | Link
I must be a hater too. I think homosexuality is a mental problem and should be outlawed. There’s nothing more rediculous than a man trying to be a woman. And how is a man taking a penis up his rectum normal? We’re supposed to teach kids this is OK? Not on your life.
P12Mast on October 10th, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Link
HenryO, when you say hateful things like “I personally think gay sex is disgusting and repulsive” you’re considered a bigot. Does that make sense? You seem to be getting tripped up on that word when you absolutely exemplify it.
Let’s be clear, you’re a hater because you hate people who are different than you, NOT because you disagree with a gay person. You don’t simply disagree with “being gay” you actively hate them and wish bad things to happen to them.
I choose to live my life in acceptance of all people. I admit I don’t love all people but I sure hold off on any judgments until I actually meet them. You’re perfectly content to judge an entire segment of society based on your assumptions, that’s ignorance (a word I’m certain you’ve been called multiple times).
Your life must suck, seriously. Now go ahead and post something else under a different name.
dc on October 10th, 2010 at 3:45 pm | Link
I don’t hate anyone Dc on - never said I did. Don’t pretend to know me on what I’m thinking. How you choose to live you life is your business, if you live a disgusting life that your choice, but anyone who prefers not to live like you is NOT a bigot or a hater. Can you understand that? I do personally think gay sex is disgusting and repulsive. I think it’s vile and sick. I don’t like cottage cheese either.
HenryO on October 10th, 2010 at 3:56 pm | Link
Gays are WAY too sensitive. Not everybody approves of you, so what? That makes the majority of people bad because they don’t approve of gays? What’s with all the name-calling all the time. I can see several of the points here. It’s not all about hate, isn’t it all about choice? I don’t like gays, that’s my choice.
Julian on October 10th, 2010 at 3:58 pm | Link
HGTV is obviously gay. I only watch Holmes on Holmes, which I think is there best show. The rest sucks.
Bishop on October 10th, 2010 at 4:00 pm | Link
HenryO - People often don’t come right out and say that they hate something, but it’s their actions that tells the story. The mean things you’ve been saying makes it clear - you hate me based on my sexual orientation. You hate so much (just like many of the posters) that you call me “not normal” and you say it proudly.
As hard as we may try, none of us are “normal” and that’s a good thing. Someone is always going to disagree with something you’re doing - what makes you and people like you so horrible is that you take action and try to suppress freedoms based on those differences instead of trying to understand them. Minorities have throughout history had to fight off thinking and actions of people like you. I promise, we will continue to fight and will proudly let our gay flag fly as often as we can, including on HGTV.
I’m heading out on a date (with a guy) but I’ve got to ask…since you don’t like cottage cheese are you going to start posting that everyone who DOES like cottage cheese is disgusting simply because it’s not something you like? But we do have one thing in common, I don’t like it either
dc on October 10th, 2010 at 4:11 pm | Link
I’m heading out on a date (with a guy)
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That is disgusting!
Steve on October 11th, 2010 at 11:46 am | Link
Steve, the date was great, I thought you’d want to know!
dc on October 11th, 2010 at 1:34 pm | Link
DC, I don’t need or want to know you gayboy dates. Being gay is NOT normal I don’t care what you are your gay groups say. You need mental help. HGTV’s executive staff must be full of gayboys.
Steve on October 11th, 2010 at 4:06 pm | Link
if it weren’t for gender confusion, they would have to cancel What Not to Wear too! I swear those women have not a clue what sex they are. As for gays on HGTV….I agree, please HG use some common sense and be discrete for some hope and change.
Granny's watching on October 30th, 2010 at 2:53 pm | Link
Really? Its 2010, there is 3 or 4 channels on tv that do cater to gay individuals. Out of the hundreds of channels, its a blip on the map. Don’t like it don’t watch. We are out of the closet and will not be put down by right wing individuals who call themselves christian. A true christian does not preach hate, if you actually read the bible you quote against us you would see Jesus’s message was about love and tolerance. Its people like you that drive people like me out of the church. I am a christian gay male, and NO ONE has the right to judge me except God himself. Let go of your pride and your childish ideas, you are not God you are not the alpha and the omega.
chris on November 18th, 2010 at 5:13 pm | Link
Chris..its not about one human judging another. You say you are a Christian gay man. We non-gay Christians are NOT judging, or much less condemming the gay community. But as a Christian follower of the Word, you must be in agreement that all Sin mentioned in the Holy Scriptures must be brought out to light. I have seen women with lustful eyes., I have lied, I have stolen, I have commited many sins. Yes, that makes me a sinner, but in No way or form can I justify them. I need to stop sinning, repent, and keep myself focused on his Word and the things of Eternity. I know many repentant drunkards, drug users, adulterers..etc, who have turned away because if their sins and turned to the ways of God and his Word. They have TURNED away from sin and are following Christ, but in no way do they ever Justify,,or try to Justify, the sin they were commiting. What I see, however, with gay Christians, is the continual denial that it is a Sin they are living. They accept their sin as normal and say it is ok. If you are a true Christian, Chris, then you must understand the need to recognize the sin as mentioned in the Word…repent, and turn to Christ. As our Lord Jesus said to the adulteress, Go, And Sin No More
Jas on November 29th, 2010 at 7:04 pm | Link
Exactly the reason I do not go to church and there are too few gay Christians. The only requirement to being Christian is a belief in Jesus Christ as the savior, its not about repenting over and over. Only the uneducated would take the Bible as the only truth. A book which,I do believe was divinely inspired and written, however it was put together by man, to serve man’s needs and therefore imperfect. I have blind faith in Christ and his true church, not the church created for and by man. God would not have created gay men and women if it were a sin. Gay animals are found in nature and its as natural as the sky we look at every day. A true man of God preaches not about sin but of love, its mans intervention in the divine that has created the condemnation of sin by another man and not God himself. Let God decide what is and isn’t a sin. My entire point is, you cannot know what God condemns and condones. It is beyond everyone’s understanding, including my own.
chris on November 29th, 2010 at 7:33 pm | Link
Now I understand your point of view. If you say, and believe in your heart and mind, and soul, that “only the uneducated would believe the Bible as the only truth” , then there is no more to say. But then you must no longer mention yourself as a Christian. To be a Christian is to believe in his Word as the Truth. If you do not believe that, then, may the Lord have Mercy on your soul, as well as mine, as we will all be judged by Him who sits on his throne. God has already decided what is a sin and what is not. It is written, but if you do not believe in his written Word, then so be it. That is your choice. We all have a choice. My choice is to believe , with faith, that his Word is true. Your choice … is yours.
Jas on November 29th, 2010 at 7:49 pm | Link
But plz be careful, Chris. You are calling Jesus and our Father a liar. Be careful what you believe in your heart…..
Jas on November 29th, 2010 at 7:51 pm | Link
this may also be helpful…
http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian
chris on November 29th, 2010 at 7:52 pm | Link
and again…. claiming to know the will of God. Since you claim you do know the will of Christ and feel the need to use the Bible for the purpose of condemnation. you will also remember that the Bible doesn’t say you need to believe in the Bible to be saved but faith in Christ as the Savior. Two very different things. Lets take a look at a quote from the Bible…
Certainly all are saved by grace, and nothing can be done to earn that favor (Ephesians 2:8-9)
We are saved by grace alone (according to this), not a belief in a book. What you are reading is an interpretation of other languages, many words which do not have an English equivalent. There is no word for homosexuality in Greek or Hebrew.
The Bible also teaches many conflicting ideals:
* salvation is by faith only
* salvation by works and faith
*salvation by works only
* salvation by faith motivated by love
What is Salvation? you can pick a verse here or there but as a whole the Bible is not clear as to what it takes to be saved. I have my belief which comes from verses in the Bible as do you.
Again we get back to my point as a human we cannot decide what god has decided or will decide which ever way you want to look at it.
Not once, have I attacked your salvation and your place in Heaven. I do believe that we need to educate ourselves about the Bible- are you saying my comment “Only the uneducated would take the Bible as the only truth.” is calling you uneducated?
No, if you do not educate yourself on the Bible and its different teachings you cannot say the bits and pieces you choose to believe are the truth. You need to look at the entire history of the book you have in front of you, over 2000 years of these texts being interpreted by MEN.
Take a look at history, how the books were chosen for the Bible, it was done so by the Church, which is not GOD. The texts were translated by individuals who had worldly desires in mind.
Until you and I can read the original texts before they were edited and changed to meet the needs of the particular time, it is not the Bible we are really reading, but an interpretation of manuscripts with several words which cannot be defined today.
You have no right to say that I can no longer call myself a Christian. I never said you were not a Christian, I said ” We are out of the closet and will not be put down by right wing individuals who call themselves christian” I didnt say they were not Christians, I was asking how they can call themselves that when they are teaching hate.
“But then you must no longer mention yourself as a Christian. To be a Christian is to believe in his Word as the Truth”
1) You are not the divine and therefore cannot say I cannot call myself a Christian.
2) The very word Christian according to the dictionary says” a person who believes in Jesus Christ; adherent of Christianity. ” Very different from some church fed definition in which you are using.
I never once called Jesus a liar, and since Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, isnt it a lie to preach that its wrong?
All I said about Jesus directly is he thought about love and tolerance. Two Christian ideals which you seem to be lacking. You can say the same for me but I am only not being tolerant of intolerance and hate, the very opposite of what Jesus taught and still teaches us.
It is your choice to believe blindly, I choose to take the educated route and understand where the teachings are coming from and understand that MAN is not perfect and therefore flawed including those who put together these texts for us. Again, since we are taking the Bible at face value doesn’t it also say clearly Jesus came to live a perfect life because we are not capable of it? Why would the men who put the Bible together be any different?
We can all choose what to believe, and how we believe it. But I do firmly believe that YOU or any other MAN can tell me what is a sin and what isnt. I will sit before God on judgment day just like the rest of you and like you my faith will set me free not some Christian wailing about sins and repenting.
I can repent until I am blue in the face, but I do not believe repenting is what gets you into Heaven but by accepting Jesus as the only Savior and understanding that he died on the cross for my sins and yours alike.
Leave the judgment up to God.
chris on November 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Link
At least I can say that I understand that responding with anything but love is not very Christian. I am sure you feel that you are doing right by God with the attacks on my salvation and beliefs. I choose to believe that God is merciful and all loving, and to live the life he has given me without a constant fear of hell. I pray that you find God’s love and spend less time on hate ( and the same for myself- with a strong dislike for what I see as hateful beliefs). We are all children of God, and no one knows how to be saved, only ideas given to us by our experiences.
chris on November 29th, 2010 at 9:25 pm | Link
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:27
And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
1 Timothy 1:10
The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
I know those verses mean nothing to you, as you have so explicitly expressed your choice and belief in Not believing that the Bible is the Word of God. Again, that is your choice. I do not claim to know the will of God..but I do believe in the Bible being his word…and the above verses….are his Word.
Bottom line. It is very simple why we differ in our opinions. You do not believe the Bible is the written Word of God.. I do. So be it.
Jas on November 29th, 2010 at 10:26 pm | Link
In modern times, whether the bible is the Word of God or not, it is important to remember when it was written. A very, very long time ago. Nowadays, the people of a nation can not only be concerned with religion, especially since we all practice different religions, when it comes to policy, legislation, and FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS. We are all humans, and we are all capable of loving and feeling, whether we are gay or straight or bisexual. This debate can never be completely about Christianity, or what is or isn’t a sin, when it also clearly comes out of political interests and what individuals have been brought up to believe. I don’t know if we will ever see eye to eye, but didn’t Jesus tell us to love thy neighbor? Isn’t that the most important thing? He certainly did not preach hatred. I think that we can agree on that, at least.
Christine on November 29th, 2010 at 11:17 pm | Link
Ill bite and go as far as saying homosexual SEX is a sin- for the sake of argument- however there are some things to consider….
“1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
1) there is no Greek or Hebrew word for homosexuality.. so how did that get in there?
2) different versions of the Bible say it differently:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New American Standard Bible)
9Or (A)do you not know that the unrighteous will not (B)inherit the kingdom of God? (C)Do not be deceived; (D)neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will (E)inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New International Version, ©2010)
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
The King James Version of the Bible translates verse 9 and 10 as:
bullet “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” (Emphasis ours)
a more complete list of the phrase “nor men who practice homosexuality”
men who practice homosexuality,” (ESV);
“those who participate in homosexuality,” (Amplified);
“abusers of themselves with men,” (KJV);
“practicing homosexuals,” (NET Bible).
“homosexuals,” (NASB, CSB, NKJ, NLT, The Great Book: The New Testament in Plain English);
“homosexual perversion,” (NEB);
“homosexual offenders,” (NIV);
“liers with mankind,” (Rhiems); and
“homosexual perverts.” (TEV)
“passive homosexual partners.” (NET Bible)
The actual word used in this particular passage is: “arsenokoitai” which doesn’t have a clear meaning and scholars believe that Paul created this word to describe MALE homosexual behavior- not homosexual’s in general which the Bible translations seem to take a lot of liberty here and twist the actual word. The closest word that is available to describe homosexuality is: paiderasste which is a Greek term to describe sexual behavior between males. This word does not appear in this passage.
As you can see, all of the verses change depending on who is translating it. The passage may be referring to homosexual behavior (as in sex), but sex among men and women is considered a sin in many situations as well- even inside of marriage. so really, how is homosexual sex any different? There are many more verses describing deviant sexual behaviors between men and women.
If you have had
sex for a reason other than reproduction
masturbated
eaten pork
worked on Sunday
not allowed your wife to sleep with your brothers if you have not had children,
had sperm anywhere besides in the vagina,
used a condom,
practiced oral sex,
practice anal sex
disliked or hated someone
and the list goes on and on….. If we are using the Bible to describe sin.
John 8:7
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Again, leave the judgment of what is and isn’t a sin up to God. By using his “word” to condemn another you are claiming to speak for God which goes against his word.
chris on November 30th, 2010 at 5:31 am | Link
Romans 1:27
And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
the phrase: “shameless acts”
vile affections and degrading passions” (Amplified Bible)
“dishonorable passions” (English Standard Version)
“degrading passions” (New American Bible, New American Standard Bible, & New Revised Standard Version)
“shameful lusts” (New International Version)
“shameful desires” (New Living Translation)
“evil things” (Living Bible)
“shameful affections” (Rheims New Testament)
“immoral, unnatural drives” (The Great Book: The New Testament in Plain English)
against nature:
“unnatural and abnormal” (Amplified Bible)
“contrary to nature” (English Standard Version)
“against nature” (King James Version, Rheims New Testament)
“sin with each other” (Living Bible)
“unnatural” (New American Bible, New American Standard Bible, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version)
“immoral, unnatural drives” (The Great Book: The New Testament in Plain English)
I Timothy 1:10
The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
the men who practice homosexuality:
“them that defile themselves with mankind,” King James Version, 21st Century King James Version, Tyndale’s New Testament, & Rheims New Testament.
“those who are immoral with…boys,” The Jerusalem Bible.
“practicing homosexuals” New American Bible.
“perverts” New International Version, New English Bible, & Revised English Bible.
“sexual perverts,” Today’s English Version & Modern Language Bible.
“sexually immoral,” The New Testament and Psalms — An inclusive version.
“sexually perverted,” Phillips Modern English.
“sin against nature,” The New Testament (Ronald Knox).
“sodomites” Revised Standard Version, Young’s Literal Translation, & New Revised Standard Version.
How can you say the Bible is the word of God when it depends on which translation you are reading.. you are quoting mans interpretation of God’s word.
Again the word arsenokoitai- which they believe refers to homosexuality between males- not females. someone along the line decided that lesbians should be included as well and the translation was changed to homosexuals.
chris on November 30th, 2010 at 6:16 am | Link
Gay people have to live someplace too..HGTV is not about sex orientation…it’s about houses…not who lives in them
Lynne on December 5th, 2010 at 2:12 pm | Link
Do you feel the same way about the interracial couples on HGTV too?
Carol on December 5th, 2010 at 4:05 pm | Link
Wow! Homophobic America strikes again! Kudos to all of you who found the initial topic-starter to be a disgustingly biased person who is completely out of touch with any sense of reality whatsoever. Shame on the rest of you! Homophobes like you shouldn’t even have satellite dishes or cable television service. Do something wholesome instead for your entertainment like hiking your family out to watch a flock of sheep grazing on an idyllic, picturesque hillside unspoilt by the oh-so-evil influences of that dastardly HGTV channel. Try not to have a stroke on the day when one lovely ewe humps another lovely ewe in broad daylight right in front of you and in front of the wondering eyes of your pitifully ignorant children.
Tabbie on December 8th, 2010 at 10:30 am | Link
Free Speech! The sad thing is that today you cannot voice your opinion without being labeled. Very sad!
I think that everyone has a right to their opinion without being labeled homophobic or any other type of label. The truth of the matter is that for years gay life was not portrayed on TV or cable and very little in film. Now that the restrictions on what is allowed have loosened up there is much more gay life featured on TV, cable and in film.
Does there seem to be an inordinate amount in today’s media? The answer is probably a resounding yes. I think in an effort to level the playing field and to balance out the fact that gay life was not featured for many, many years the media powers that be are trying to make up for that. Realistically it should be more balanced, but right now there is a larger number of gay life, type programming on the air waves and in films.
Case in point, the movie “The Kids are Alright” is gay themed. TV shows are featuring gay life in everything such as; HGTV programs, Desperate Housewives, Brothers & Sisters, Grey’s Anatomy, Glee, 90210, and more. Cable shows feature a large number of gay life centric shows. Many have said the reason for this is that all networks are now mandated to feature a certain percentage of gay life in all of their programming. Keep in mind that the field is comprised of a large number of actors, producers, writers, etc. that live a gay lifestyle.
For the average “Joe or Jill Public” this may be hard to accept, but it is the reality of 2011 and onward.
My thought is that there should be fair programming across the board, but if there are overt overtones of any type of lifestyle that might open a network up for offending their general viewing audience, then perhaps you can place a disclaimer at the beginning of the program such as: “This program features lifestyles and information that might not appeal to all viewing audiences”. Even this statement might be perceived as “homophobic” by the gay community.
The real point is we have become a society that is overly sensitive to anything that is not our norm. Plus, with the onslaught of “political correctness” (which has stifled a lot of free speech) it will only get more so.
KC on January 8th, 2011 at 11:27 am | Link
My answer to the overwelming Gay slant on HGTV is to: 1. Change channel when gay couples are featured and 2. It goes without saying, I don’t patronize the advertizers. While we are on the subject of HGTV, what ever happen to the “garden” part of the network? Use to be lots of programs dedicated to showing peoples’ gardens around the world. Now only makeovers by so called “experts” with Austrailian accents! Have to go to Public TV now to view gardening programs. Maybe the network should consider changing their name to “Gay and Biracial Living Network”!
Dick Thevenet on January 11th, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Link
I see. So you don’t watch anything biracial either, Mr. Dick Thevenet? Hmm…it seems to me that your racism is right in line with your homophobia. A bigot is a bigot is a bigot. I’m glad you’ve at least figured out how to change the channel when you see something you don’t like. How many years did it take you to learn that stunning little trick? I wonder if you’ll ever figure out the fact that you, too, have an accent which is foreign to every other person in the world who didn’t grow up within a few hundred miles of you! I highly doubt you’ll ever come to terms with that juicy tidbit of reality. Methinks you ate too many leaded paint chips as a child.
To KC I have this to say: There are far more shows playing on cable television at any given moment of any given day which have absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality than there are shows playing which feature homosexuality or even hint at it. The problem is this: You shouldn’t be offended by homosexuality. No one should. Get over yourself and learn to accept the fact that there are other people in the world who are not exactly like you. Your poop stinks, KC. It stinks just as much as anyone else’s stinks but perhaps not in the same exact way. Your value as a person shouldn’t be based on the smell of your feces. It shouldn’t be based on the color of your skin. It shouldn’t be based on your gender. Your value as a person also has nothing whatsoever to do with what you do with your gonads as long as it is done between consenting adults. No one chooses their sexuality any more than they can choose who their birth parents are.
You are not qualified to so harshly judge that which you do not understand and have made zero effort to understand. Stop complaining about free speech and political correctness, KC. You are completely free to speak your mind, but you must remember you are also free to suffer the negative feedback you will get when the opinions you express are DEAD WRONG! Gone are the days when homophobia will be tolerated by the masses with a wink and a nod. You can adapt, move to another country or suffer. Mauritania, Sudan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, and Pakistan are all good places to go if you can’t stand the sight or the sound of a gay person. Some of the Mullahs in those places even still believe the world is flat like a cracker! Your cheese will no doubt spread like butter over there.
Tabbie on January 17th, 2011 at 12:33 am | Link
Thank you Tabbie for your comments. This is what I love about our country! Everyone can exercise freedom of speech. My views are just that, my views. They may be right or wrong, but still MY views. Several of my friends are gay or of a different race, they do not harp on it and go around with a chip on their shoulder. I do not consider myself a bigot. But, you have the right to call me one, unlike in some countries where one does not have that freedom. What I object to is the force feeding of someone’s opinion on others, Wether gay,racial, political or religious. After awhile, all that force feeding will end up being heaved up and cause a mess. I have expressed my opinion and I take it no further. If people like you wish to continue your tirade, you are free to do so. But I also have a right to not view or listen to such tripe.
Dick Thevenet on January 17th, 2011 at 8:02 am | Link
Pardon me, Dick, but YOU are the one who expressed dissatisfaction with the “Gay and Biracial Living Network” so the problem rests squarely on your shoulders. Yes, you are free to change the channel. Yes, you are free to have gay friends and friends of a different race while you stab them in the back here on this website. It’s your choice to be a two-faced hypocrite. Remember this: gay people and people of color have to watch the tripe of heterosexuality and white America on television day in and day out. Maybe it’s the gays and people of color who will rise up and route you out someday. You are an odious prick. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Tabbie on January 17th, 2011 at 8:11 am | Link
In addition to Tabbie’s comments, I would like to say that just because something is your “opinion” does not make it true or right. There is a difference between a mere “opinion” and a human being’s basic rights that should never be up for dispute. People of all colors and orientations have a right to representation in the media, a right to liberty and justice for all. That is more than an opinion, or a lifestyle, as so many like to say. Eating organic food and recycling is a lifestyle choice, going to the gym, playing video games all day, those are all lifestyle choices. Loving, and sharing your life with someone of the same sex is a lifestyle as much as loving and sharing your life with someone of the opposite sex is a lifestyle choice. Tabbie calls a spade a spade, and I am with her on this. I think you supposed “moderates” ought to take a good hard look at your “opinions” and how they affect and infringe upon the rights of those who are different from you. We may be different, but we are no less entitled to the same rights and treatment as you.
Christine on January 17th, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Link
Thank you, Christine. We are in agreement.
Opinions are free to be expressed, but when they promote something which is fundamentally morally wrong, I will badger the offending person to the very ends of the earth with every fiber of my being. I refuse to stand idly by while stupidity, intolerance and hatred are released upon our society in the guise of free speech.
Tabbie on January 17th, 2011 at 6:57 pm | Link
Absolutely, Tabbie. We must stand together against hatred.
Christine on January 17th, 2011 at 7:26 pm | Link
To all of the anti-gay rhetoric, fundamentalism, and bigotry on this forum: is that not bullying under another name? Another gay teen has committed suicide. You are as much to blame as the bullies at his school: http://ksax.com/article/stories/s1928689.shtml
Thou shalt not kill.
Christine on January 18th, 2011 at 12:18 am | Link
When will you all stop? What will it take? Will your child be the next victim of your homophobia? Your grandchild? Your niece? Your nephew? Your brother? Your sister? Watch out lest you become victims of your own evil tongues!
Tabbie on January 18th, 2011 at 4:33 am | Link
Unless you are going to keep your children in a cage, then they need to learn there are straight, gay and all others living on this planet. It’s life so you need to get over it. It will be here long after you are gone!
J. Mark on January 20th, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Link
I think what you are saying, J. Mark, is that we all need to learn to get along and accept each other for who and what we are.
Let’s be clear. One group oppressing another isn’t acceptable behavior if we hope to live in a peaceful and civilized society. Telling a bullied child to just “get over it” isn’t, however, an effective remedy for the problem of bullying. Bullied kids often turn to violent, destructive behavior out of desperation. Such behavior can be turned inward, or it can be turned outward toward others.
Mankind’s capacity for self-anihilation is very real. Human life on this planet could very well cease to exist if we allow the hatred and intolerance to continue.
Tabbie on January 20th, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Link
I agree that HGTV is a family channel that I used to enjoy very much, but there are far too many homosexual couples depicted. It just does not belong on television. The Bible does refer to sodomy and it has nothing to do with greed. It clearly states it is wrong for man to lie with another man. It isn’t homophobia, it is moral decency. Nobody wants to say the truth, homosexuality is immoral and most definitely unnatural. If it were the norm the population would never continue. I for one am really tired of the gay agenda shoved down our throats and then told we straight people are the ones with the problem. We can control who with fall in love with. If you don’t know right from wrong, then I really feel sorry for you that you were not taught any better.
Jaden on February 8th, 2011 at 8:50 pm | Link
No, I am the one that feels sorry for you. With such a small closed mind and lack of education life must be miserable. Who are you to say what is natural and moral? Are you God? Last I checked he is the only one that can judge another person, and anyone who claims to speak for him is speaking blasphemy themselves. There is no gay agenda, all we want is equal rights, which isn’t too much to ask for. Keep in mind there was a time where a woman going to work was unnatural and the thought of women voting was horrific. It isn’t straight people with the problem its people using religion as a form of hate and discrimination that is the problem. What you are saying is nothing more than an example of Christian extremism- much like the Muslims who participated on 9-11. Religion as a political agenda and a vehicle for intolerance and violence.
Chris on February 8th, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Link
Please be joyous for me because I know the truth. No I am not God, but as a Christian I strive to follow Jesus and that means knowing the heart and mind of God which is done through reading and studying His word. There is nothing blasphemous about that. If believing God’s word to be true is considered extremism, then most definitely I choose to follow Him. I am not religious, but I do fully believe in the word of God as my lord and savior. Maybe you only care about your life here on earth, but that is only temporary. LIfe everlasting will not be given to adulterers, fornicators, homosexuals, among other sins–none is greater than another. I am neither lacking in education nor with a small mind. I am not judging anyone, God’s word does that. Again, portraying homosexual couples as the normal on a family channel is really appalling. You are entitled to your opinions and I am entitled to mine. To argue with someone ignorant to what is true would be futile. Only a fool is going to fight for what is wrong. I don’t need a vehicle for intolerance or violence, as I do not endorse either. God loves the sinner (he is all about love) but he most certainly hates sin. He is forgiving of all who repent. Accepting what we know is wrong is only fooling ourselves. I stand by my original comments.
Jaden on February 8th, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Link
Again using God for hatred. You can’t be that intelligent if Jesus’s basic message of love went over your head.
chris on February 9th, 2011 at 7:41 am | Link
I don’t see anyone showing hatred but you, Chris. What you missed is that not accepting immoral, albeit perverted behavior, does not make that someone a hater. Yes, you can be a Christian and still be gay I suppose, but what is the point? Why would you got to church and not get the message God is giving, whatever the message is. We don’t go because we are already okay. A true Christian would point out, lovingly of course, what you need to know to be part of God’s plan. Sex was designed for married men and women, not gays. It is wrong, whether you believe in God or not. You can keep pretending it is okay, but you are so wrong and so misled. You really think the problem is with all the straight people. Yet, you want to question the intelligence of others??
George on February 9th, 2011 at 10:48 pm | Link
Ummm, Jaden and George…please tell me, do you either of you eat pork? Do you eat shellfish? Do you guys sleep in the same beds as your wives while they are menstruating each month? If so, you are both committing “sins” “perversions” and “immoral behaviors” which are just as offensive to your god as you say homosexuality is. Your Bible says a lot of things. Most of them are crap. Your so-called “Christian joy and truths” are nothing more than figments of your imaginations and the products of religious delusions inside your fat heads. You are both guilty of picking and choosing which parts of your holy book you will take as being literal in their meaning, and you “interpret” the other parts to mean things which are more convenient to your modern way of life. The problem is that you are both gullible in believing your spiritual leaders who have sold you a big line of bull, and you’re even more stupid to put all your faith in a book of fairy tales written by multiple authors with primitive educations and limited levels of knowledge about the earth, the universe and anything of scientific value today. Your bible has been edited, translated and retranslated multiple times over thousands of years by crooked people with crooked agendas, yet you apparently believe this document to be the divine, inspired and infallible word of your god. I’ve got news for both of you: you’re frickin’ nutcases! Your bible is no more reliable as a source of truth than the gossip you will read written on the walls inside a rest area toilet stall. Grow up! Use your brains for once. Figure out that the your brains are where the perversions you perceive are located. You each need to go look in a mirror and realize that you are looking at one of the dumbest creatures on your block, because that in fact is the hardcore truth of the matter in a nutshell. I hereby take your hatred which you have so uncleverly couched in terms of Christian love, joy and truth and I throw it right back at you like the boomerang it is. Can I get an “Amen” in here?!
Tabbie on February 10th, 2011 at 1:41 am | Link
again, me being hateful? what is more hateful, pointing out the lack of intellect in an individual or trying to convince someone that God does not love them. yes I said it, that is exactly what Christian’s like you are doing. I do not speak for all Gay and lesbian individuals, but I know many that would agree. Instead of bringing us closer to God you point out our sins again and again. Who would want to worship a God whose people dislike them so much? This is why myself and other people do NOT go to Chruch. so again, I ask, what is more hateful a low blow at someones intellect or turning someone away from eternal life? How many hate crimes have been committed against the GLBT population in the name of God? too many to count. What you are doing is no different then the persecution of the Jew’s in Egypt- and look who ended up victorious. Doesnt the Bible also teach ” let he who is without sin cast the first stone”
Don’t pick and choose what parts of the Bible to follow- if you are such a devout Christian as all of you are saying- you cannot ignore the fact that pointing out a sin makes you no better than the sinner themselves- almost worse because you are saying you KNOW the will of God. Using God in the name of hatred and intolerance is against the very simplest teaching of Jesus Christ. Did Jesus not wash the whores feet? Did Jesus condemn the whore? No, he washed her feet and said “sin no more”.
Chris on February 10th, 2011 at 5:35 am | Link
Both sides apparently have good and bad points when trying to justify actions utilizing bible readings. No one really knows, in this age and time, the exact wording of the”original” bible readings. Hell, even my two dogs appear, at times, to demonstrtate unnatural copulations. But, then, what is unnatural? If something or someone offends my senses, I normally quietly diassociate myself with the offending action. The reason being, just as in this thread, that there is no winner and all it results in persons being firmer in their beliefs, causes arguments and solves nothing. I believe in what I believe and you believe in what you believe and we will not change each other. I just wish that people would not flaunt their beliefs so publicly as to offend others. I do not go around telling everyone I am married and I should be equal and demonstrate for married couples rights, etc, ad nausim!
Dick on February 10th, 2011 at 7:32 am | Link
To everyone who says we are immoral and unnatural: if you believe in God, how can you not believe that God created us? If you believe in evolution, here’s a controversial thought, maybe gays and lesbians are evolved as some natural part of population control! But more to the point, and this is the real point: we are not going anywhere, and we will only keep gaining more ground, and soon you will have no other option but to accept us as people once had to accept the idea of emancipation, people of color and women having a vote, desegregation and interracial marriage. We already have marriage in several states, adoption in many, we have gay leaders in government, laws that protect us from hate crimes and work place discrimination, and we will not stop until we are equal with everyone else. So, quite frankly, DEAL WITH IT.
Christine on February 10th, 2011 at 10:55 am | Link
“It doesn’t matter to me if you read the same Bible as I do or if you read scripture at all. I want to know if you have the courage to face the consequences of your beliefs.” - Rev. Marlin Lavanhar
Christine on February 10th, 2011 at 11:14 am | Link
To Dick: Give me a break! I don’t go around “flaunting” my beliefs publicly to offend other people. I just live my life. I see straight couples walking around all the time holding hands in public, kissing each other and so forth. No one calls that kind of behavior “flaunting” so why do they call it “flaunting” when gay couples do the same things?
Sometimes people pick me out as being gay and give me attitude and grief for it. Why? I’ve done nothing to them! I’m just living my life. They think they’re so clever because they think they see in me some little characteristic or some small mannerism which they then use to peg me as being gay. How do they know whether or not I’m gay? They don’t! I’ve never slept with them! I’ve never even made a pass at them! They know nothing of my sexuality. Neither do you! Hatred, you see, is the driivng force behind this type of prejudicial and unfriendly behavior. Religion is the excuse.
This world is full of heterosexual references, and society blatantly favors the heterosexual population by giving tax benefits and health care benefits to married couples. It’s just plain wrong. Equality means equality, and equality should apply equally to everyone. People use demonstrations to get their points across. It’s no different than in Egypt right now where the masses of everyday citizens are screaming to Mubarek to “Get out!” This is what humans who are repressed like to do, so don’t get all judgemental about gay people demonstrating for equal rights. Give it a rest already and open your mind just a little bit more. Don’t tell gay people to keep their sexuality in the closet, and don’t tell people not to argue against blatant injustices which are all too prevalent within our society today.
Oh, and I almost forgot, why don’t you go have some more fun watching your dogs copulate in “unnatural ways” and ask yourself why it’s so unnatural. Ask yourself who taught them to do such things. When you finally come to the realization that no one taught them to do such things, maybe then you will begin to understand that there is nothing unnatural about it at all. It just is what it is and it shouldn’t matter to anyone else at all. Live and let live.
Tabbie on February 10th, 2011 at 2:52 pm | Link
its funny how none of them can come up with anything to say… I doubt they have learned anything, but its nice to know there are other people out there who are as frustrated with these so called “Christian’s” as I am.
Chris on February 10th, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Link
All homosexuals are immoral, unnatural, and just kidding yourselves. You are sick, sexual deviants and yes I will deal with it by not dealing with you. Yes God created all of us but how you choose to live your life you will have to answer for. No I don’t believe in evolution and there is no possible way gays/lesbians are evolved as some natural part of population control! They are a people who serve satan himself in effort to destroy the family as we know it. Gosh, if everyone was gay the population growth would come to a screeching halt. But more to the point, you are not going anywhere but hell, will eventually lose ground, and nobody ever has to accept you. You are all sick, perverted individuals who are miserable and want to ruin everyone elses lives with your sick, twisted ideas. You should all go back in your closets so we never had to see any of you. No, You DEAL WITH IT. And please stop saying how people all hate you, we have what you stand for, and did you ever once think of getting help for your nasty behavior? I guess if you wanted to partner up with a goat or an alligator we should accept that too. Pedophiles are sick. Homosexuals are sick. There are thousands of people in prison for sodomy, and the list goes on. Stop trying to convince everyone that they are wrong and you are right and you are so much better than everyone else, like you discovered something new. You are all creepy and disgusting. Men trying to act feminine and women trying to look and act like men. How twisted can you get? Who were your role models. You must have been abused growing up. Something is just not right. See a shrink.
Chelsea on February 10th, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Link
Chelsea, you are a very angry person. Maybe you’re the one who needs to see a shrink?
Christine on February 10th, 2011 at 10:12 pm | Link
Have seen one and too bad if your dyke self doesn’t like what I have to say. I am just plain sick to death of all the homosexual perverts always touting about how great they are, what rights they deserve and not fessing up to the fact that they are just totally messed up and you can’t change that. All of you, please go away if you’re not willing to change. You can’t possibly be happy with your misguided beliefs and stop acting like it’s everyone else with the problem.
Chelsea on February 11th, 2011 at 12:41 am | Link
HGTV is a good show except for all the gay couples they put on there buying homes. Nobody wants to see 2 guys talking about sharing a master suite or two obvious lesbians being the couple looking for a condo. It detracts from the house hunting, which is the fun part, that and seeing how the people decorate their new home. This should be a show suitable for all family members to watch, but I don’t want my children seeing Fred and Todd looking for a place to live, and I do not want to see that either. Please stick to the singles and couples.
Terry on February 11th, 2011 at 12:48 am | Link
I have to let a little secret out about why the gay agenda keeps marching on, directly on the faces of borderline-psychos like Chelsea. We simply don’t say things like what Chelsea is saying in his/her post. Chelsea you, and people like you, simply re-enforce the stereotype of uneducated, Bible-beating, down-home losers who nobody respects at all. You make it so much easier for the gays (and everyone else who may be just a little different) to do exactly what they have been doing…prospering!
Chelsea, you represent what’s called the fringe in the this country. You are dying breed of intolerant people who don’t know where to fit in anymore, my guess is you never have. I can’t say you just want things to stay as they are because they’ve already evolved well past the way you’d like. You would like the clock to roll back to a time where diversity and new ideas were frowned upon and where a dominate minority of people controlled the culture and rules for an entire country.
Can you think of any country’s like that today Chelsea? Maybe you should visit (but don’t forget to throw on your burka)!!!
To you Chelsea and to all the other folks who posted hate and intolerance, we aren’t going anywhere, period. God doesn’t bless your hate and you’re doing nothing for your cause but ensuring its demise by showing how out of touch you really are.
DW on February 11th, 2011 at 4:21 am | Link
Chelsea- Maybe we should go back to the good old days where women were not allowed to vote, or work outside of the home and catch us a N***ga and do an old fashion hanging. We also cant forget about the Jim Crow laws- those were awesome! then you can go catch a Mexican for dinner and shoot of few of those gays while you are at it!
Sorry, but that’s how uneducated and backwards you sound. Times have changed, you obviously didn’t see a very good shrink and should be on anti-psychotics.
Its funny how you say we worship satan, I happen to be a very strong Christian and know that God created all of us. If Jesus were to come back today do you think he would spend time in your church? The answer is simple-no. Jesus spent his time with the poor, fornicators, prostitutes and the rest of societies outcasts. “let he who is without sin be the first to cast a stone” God loves you Chelsea, give your anger and hate over to him, and live a happy God centered life. Anger, hate and disrespect are the very opposite of Jesus’s teachings, if you or any other Christian do not understand that, you need to read the Bible again.
As a Christian- and not as a gay man I am offended by the behavior of the people who have posted on here messages of hate in the name of Christ. I feel embarrassed to associate myself with a religion in which intolerance seems to be the basic message of it’s people. Time should be spent on inclusion, helping others, showing love and tolerance to everyone not simple minded hate, intolerance, and accusations.
A pedophile is very different from a homosexual man or woman. A pedophile is someone who has sex with children-which is not ok by anyone’s standards. Homosexual men and women are healthy individuals who have healthy and long lasting relationships with a member of the same sex. Did you wake up one day and say ” I am a heterosexual?” When did you choose your sexuality?
Even among the straight population there are butch women and feminine men-these are personality traits and have nothing to do with sexuality. Take my boyfriend for instance-he loves football, wrestling, baseball and everything you would associate with a “typical” straight man. By looking at stereotypes you begin to attack people who do not associate themselves with being homosexual.
I was never abused and had 2 very loving parents growing up. My parents would take offense to your accusation as would many others.I have no reason to see a shrink, I am a mentally stable, happy individual- who is able to function well in society. However, I would suggest you see a different shrink to deal with anger issues. If you are that angry online I cannot imagine what you are like in real life- and feel sorry for any husband and children you may have. If you do have children and one of them does end up gay (and even if you have older married children, marriage means nothing about sexuality), I hope you will be able to accept them and not show them the hatred you have shown us.
Chris on February 11th, 2011 at 5:57 am | Link
To Chelsea, Terry and each and every one of you who are homophobic (you know who you are):
I’ve read your comments regarding gays and lesbians. You are filled with evil. Your minds are twisted with hate. Your beliefs and values are absolutely wrong. No matter what you may say to explain yourselves and no matter why it is you think you are right, you are dead wrong. You are rotten to the core. Your homophobic beliefs have made you less than human.
Don’t romanticize your banal anti-gay bigotry as being sourced in ancient religious texts such as the Bible or in the mind of your God, in Jesus Christ or in any elevated place outside of yourself. You alone have made the choice to hate. You alone have made your choice to stand tall with other racists, bigots, anti-Semites, chauvinists and misogynists around the world. Their sins are now your sins too. You alone have chosen to be a supremacist just like them, so own it. Stand up and say it aloud: “I’m a supremacist! I am filled with hatred for my fellow man!”
If ever you’ve looked at a racist, a sexist, an anti-Semite, a member of the KKK or any other bigot and wondered to yourself how it was possible that someone could become so evil, so twisted with hatred, and so completely trapped in their misguided beliefs of bigotry, take another look. You, Adolf Hitler and the Grand Wizard of the KKK are all of the exact same ilk. They are you, and you are equal with them. Face a mirror. Don’t look away. Don’t deny the truth of who you really are. Own the ugliness within you. Make no mistake about it: You are a bigot! You are less than human! You are an evil being and the evil you have chosen to nurture within yourself is rotting you from the inside out!
I’m steadfast in my belief that you have the strength and the ability to leave your immoral supremacist lifestyle if only you will reach out and get help before it’s too late. Don’t let your ignorance and your beloved hatred turn you into any more of a monster than what you already are.
Tabbie on February 11th, 2011 at 9:53 am | Link
I would love to answer your last remarks but, this is the 2nd Friday of the month and I don’t want to be late for my monthly KKK gathering just down the road. Wish you could come too.
Dick on February 11th, 2011 at 5:27 pm | Link
^ Smartass ^
Tabbie on February 11th, 2011 at 10:16 pm | Link
Hey Dick, how was the KKK meeting? Sorry I couldn’t reply sooner, I just came back from a gay wedding. Gotta run, my boyfriend and I are running to Home Depot, talk soon!!
Dave on February 12th, 2011 at 8:55 am | Link
Since so many people seem to like to use the Bible against homosexuality because it is so “unnatural” what about women? They are nothing more than second class citizens according the the Bible as well. SO, According to the BIBLE as a MAN a WOMAN as no business telling me what is right or wrong. You can read it for yourself here… ridiculous? yes, very much so, but its in the Bible so it must the truth and maybe we should start treating women the way God has taught us to, especially since so many Christian’s use the Bible for hate and disrespect of gays and lesbians. You will also notice there are MANY more verses about women being unclean, whores and second class citizens then homosexuality.
“And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.” (Leviticus 21:9)
“When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)— hmm this seems to say that when two men are together women should not interfere
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.” (Leviticus 12:2)
“But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.” (Leviticus 12:5)
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” (I Corinthians 11:3)
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.” (I Corinthians 11:8-9)
“Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.” (Revelation 2:22-23)
“Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.” (Exodus 22:18-20)
Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.” (Judges 19:24-25)- RAPING WOMEN IS ACCEPTABLE AS WELL..
“Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)
“If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;” (Deuteronomy 22:22) hen ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.” (Deuteronomy 22:24)
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” (Genesis 3:16)
“Give me any plague, but the plague of the heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman.” (Eccles. 25:13)
“Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die.” (Eccles. 25:22)
“If she go not as thou wouldest have her, cut her off from thy flesh, and give her a bill of divorce, and let her go.” (Eccles. 25: 26)
“The whoredom of a woman may be known in her haughty looks and eyelids. If thy daughter be shameless, keep her in straitly, lest she abuse herself through overmuch liberty.” (Eccles. 26:9-10)
“A silent and loving woman is a gift of the Lord: and there is nothing so much worth as a mind well instructed. A shamefaced and faithful woman is a double grace, and her continent mind cannot be valued.” (Eccles. 26:14-15)
“A shameless woman shall be counted as a dog; but she that is shamefaced will fear the Lord.” (Eccles.26:25)
“For from garments cometh a moth, and from women wickedness. Better is the churlishness of a man than a courteous woman, a woman, I say, which bringeth shame and reproach.” (Eccles. 42:13-14)
Chris on February 15th, 2011 at 7:36 pm | Link
Amen! Thank you, Chris! I feel so divinely inspired!
I’d like to add a few more passages from the Holy Scriptures while I’m in the mood. Persons who wish to use what the Bible says as good reason to condemn gay people had better pay heed to some other things which the Good Book has to say as well.
Exodus 21:17 states, “And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.”
Leviticus 20:9 states, “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 states: “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”
So listen up, folks, because the next time your kids get a little too mouthy with you, you’d better put them out of their misery — just like that woman down in Tampa killed her mouthy teenagers a couple of weeks ago — because this is what the Bible says you should do.
Times are hard, and if any of you Bible thumpers out there are having financial difficulties during these hard economic times, fear not, for the Lord Thy God has laid out some ground rules which, if followed, allow you to sell your daughters into slavery for that little bit of extra cash which might just get you past this week’s hump and onto the next. Read Exodus 21:7-11
Are any of you hungry for a nice dinner at Red Lobster? Think again…it’s forbidden! But hey, if you go to the New Testament and look around, you’ll find that a lot of the things which were prohibited in the Old Testament are apparently just hunky-dory the second time around. Reading that Bible sure is fun stuff! It’s not confusing at all, noooooosirrreeee, and it’s sooo reliable! I do wonder just a little bit, though, how Noah ever managed to fit all those pairs of animals onto that itty bitty ark of his, loading them all onboard in just one day’s time. I also wonder how he ever managed to keep them all alive for 40 days without allowing them eat each other. Ah, yes, the mysteries of the faithful…how do you guys ever get any sleep?
The Apostle Paul, now then, was a bit of a nutcase. He was rather conflicted about women, gender, and celibacy, and his harsh self-judgement combined with his hatred for homosexuality strongly suggest he might not have been that different from the likes of Larry Craig or Ted Haggard. Maybe the blinding light he saw on the road near Damascus on the day of his conversion was actually Glinda and not the good Lord.
But seriously, I challenge any one of you to find and show me a scripture in which Jesus Christ condemns homosexuality. When you can do that, I’ll shut up. Until then, I hear Landover Baptist Church has a pretty good thing going on. There’s something for most everyone. You could even grab a Westboro Baptist Church member to go along with you for the ride. I’m sure you’d have a lovely time.
Tabbie on February 16th, 2011 at 2:12 am | Link
my big question is-without the Bible what argument is there to say homosexuality is wrong? Not everyone is a Christian, and in this society we have freedom of religion. Is it wrong because “the Bible says so?” I would also like to know, why its ok to pick and choose which parts of the Bible you do follow? Do you treat your spouse as a second class citizen? or As a woman do you expect to be treated as a second class citizen? Do you beat your children, kill them if they disobey? Why is it ok, to pick and choose which parts of the Bible should be followed? As Christian’s quoting the Bible, you have to deal with the fact that you yourself do not follow it to the letter and picking and choosing which passages you do follow is a huge contradiction since you expect the rest of society to have the same “morals”.
Why do you have sex for pleasure? Why are you ok with women voting? Why do you tolerate disobedience of your children? Why are those things OK for you, but as a homosexual man I have to be subject to ridicule using the same book in which you do not follow yourself? The verses often quoted against homosexuality are in the Old Testament, which is full of what Christian’s consider outdated laws and regulations made unnecessary by the new covenant of Jesus Christ. Which is why women are treated equal (or as far as our society has come), why Christian’s do not need to keep Kosher, and why we do not have to sacrifice animals. Out of all the things on the Old Testament-why is it still OK to decide that Jesus’s death didn’t change the verses on homosexuality but it changed everything else.
I would really like an answers to these questions and to know what specifically Jesus said about gay men and women which make those old laws still important for the modern day Christian and who decided which laws are relevant and irrelevant to the modern society.
Chris on February 16th, 2011 at 5:24 pm | Link
Most designers are gay. Having fashion sense must be on the same gene as being gay. We thank God for that gift.
Marco Fanelli on February 16th, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Link
Jesus Christ never said a word about gay men and women, Chris, not a single word. It’s stunning though, isn’t it, how conservative Christians — especially those living today in North America and in several African nations — have been using gays and lesbians since the 1970s as scapegoats of blame for whatever problems arise within their home nations.
Jesus Christ taught tolerance and compassion, but many conservative Christians have reinvented a new and tougher Jesus who resembles nothing of the Jesus found in the Bible. Anita Bryant is one of the leading pioneers of this modern day homophobia. Jerry Falwell did his part as well. Pat Robertson has carried the torch of hatred for years. Franklin Graham is another one to watch out for these days, and Stephen Baldwin just needs to shut his mouth and get an attitude adjustment already. (We can only hope that Shirley Phelps Roper will contract flesh-eating bacteria any day now and be totally consumed by it along with the rest of her hate-mongering clan.)
When I was growing up (I’m a preacher’s kid btw) I remember youth conferences and campfires where older teens and young adults sat in circles, holding hands and singing,
“We are one in the Spirit,
we are one in the Lord,
We are one in the Spirit
we are one in the Lord,
And we pray that all unity
may one day be restored:
And they’ll know we are Christians
By our love, by our love,
Yes, they’ll know we are Christians
By our love.
We will work with each other
we will work side by side
We will work with each other
We will work side by side
And we’ll guard each man’s dignity
and save each man’s pride:
And they’ll know we are Christians
By our love, by our love,
Yes, they’ll know we are Christians
By our love.”
Today’s conservative Christians, however, want to beat Christianity into everyone’s heads. Gone are the days of peace and love, and here now are the days of “Conform or else!” The way I see it, we’re not too far removed from a new Holocaust which could sweep the world, but this time the target is homosexuals.
Gays are being persecuted, prosecuted and murdered in the name of Christianity and for the cause of Islam in several African nations even as I type. Iran’s Revolutionary Guard routinely hangs gay teens and adults in public squares. The United States is filled with idiots, preachers and other hatemongers who proclaim homosexuality as being aberrant or deviant, evil and immoral. Violent hate crimes against gays and lesbians are all too common in the Americas. When will it end? Will it escalate into a full blown Inquisition? I believe in taking a stand and fighting back today against these injustices which have their roots in stupidity, ignorance, fear and religious intolerance. Enough is enough!
HGTV has the courage not to edit gay people from visibility in its programming. I applaud them and hope they will continue to show people of all types in their television shows.
Tabbie on February 17th, 2011 at 1:49 am | Link
I understand that trying to solve this big issue of homosexuality nature vs. nurture is important and that the finding of fault with the programming of a TV show and how it relates to the election of the President of the United States should be on the forefront of everyone’s mindset. But here is where I would like to interject my two cents. My wife and I bought a colonial house with an unfinished basement. We love the house but we’re both basket cases when it comes to home décor and design. My wife’s style leans toward shabby sheik / sort of New England beach and I lean toward formal traditional/Country club with lots of wood. I personally don’t care if you are Gladys Knight or one of her pips, we need help. We hired a decorator eight months ago that I wouldn’t recommend to set a dinner table and now we are starting the project over again.
The Newlywed couple from Virginia
John on February 17th, 2011 at 9:11 am | Link
What’s your point, John? You can hire a better decorator, or you can try to do it yourself. It’s “shabby chic” btw, and I also note that you lean toward lots of wood. I pity your wife.
One of the Pips on February 17th, 2011 at 10:22 am | Link
and your point is?
John on February 17th, 2011 at 10:27 am | Link
My point is simple. I find it strange, that a comment thread that should be based on design and constructive criticism can go so very off topic. That it can be twisted and used to express views on Christianity, Homosexuality and Racism and when confronted with an on point topic of home design your only option is to attack.
John on February 17th, 2011 at 11:53 am | Link
John, go back and read the very top of this page. This thread is NOT one which was started for the purpose of discussing the principles of design nor the constructive criticism thereof. This thread was started by a homophobe who wanted to stir up trouble by expressing his or her misanthropic disgust for the depiction of anyone other than heterosexuals on HGTV. This thread was started by a moron with a bad attitude and some serious personal problems called homophobia and intolerance.
Homophobia is a form of bigotry and supremacy. It’s in the same category as the misogyny espoused by L. Ron Hubbard in his book written in 1965. Homophobia is practiced in the same spirit as the hateful sexist and racist rantings of a drunken Mel Gibson. Homophobia isn’t much different than the racism of the KKK and the anti-semitism of Hitler’s Nazi party.
I’m sorry, John, but the world is made up of all kinds of people including both heterosexuals and homosexuals. You’d better learn to adjust to diversity before you find yourself in the minority. The civil rights of all people are important — not just the civil rights of heterosexual people. Equality is for everyone.
The person who started this thread said some very offensive things. A lot of other people came along and said some more very offensive things. This thread was created to foment bigotry, hatred, persecution and repression of the very worst kind. Those of us with higher morals who believe in equality and justice for everyone were of course offended by what we read, and we’ve been responding accordingly to the hatred and idiocy bubbling forth from the fingertips of the antisocial miscreants herein who continue to cling to their hateful, homophobic, intolerant, supremacist ways.
Our responses are called defense, baby, and if you don’t like it, you can go away. If you stay, you can expect to learn a new way of thinking or you will continue to be sternly admonished by me and by those who believe as I do.
Bottom line: Being gay is just as normal as being heterosexual. Showing both heterosexual and homosexual individuals and couples on HGTV without requiring anyone to “be discreet” about their sexual orientation is NOT pushing ANYTHING down ANYONE’s throat! It’s merely the televised depiction of people being people exactly as they are. It’s a slice of life. If you, the original thread-starter, or anyone else finds HGTV programming to be offensive, you need to get help. Your other alternatives are to change the channel and watch something else or go start your own TV design show called “Heteros-Only Design” which expressly excludes all gay people from its footage.
I’ve not twisted this thread in any way shape or form. I stand firm in my conviction that HGTV shows both heterosexual and gay people with no agenda attached. I stand firm in my conviction that those who disapprove of homosexuality are morally bankrupt, ignorant, and sadly misled by their religious leaders.
~ A Pip named Tabbie
Tabbie on February 17th, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Link
I hope someday you heal from whatever made you so angry. My question and my comments should not have provoked such rage. I will not engage in such hateful rhetoric. Your cause is unfounded.
John on February 17th, 2011 at 7:46 pm | Link
Oh boy! Seems like there is a lot of confusion. John- this post isn’t about design but the depiction of gays on HGTV and how people shouldn’t be subjected to the “gay lifestyle”. Tabby did go on the offensive, because she misunderstood why you were posting here as well.
a matter of the wrong place wrong time. 
chris on February 17th, 2011 at 8:19 pm | Link
Ummm….John likes to play innocent. He thinks he’s too clever, but he’s not. He knows damned well what’s going on here in this thread. He threw his comments into the ring simply as a red herring. He wanted to try to confuse the issue. Clearly he is a troll who is disguising himself as someone else. He is against gays being shown on television. When he found himself to be proven wrong in his arguments and couldn’t win the debate fair and square, he logged on as this fictitious John and used this lame tactic to muddy the waters. It’s highly likely John is also the same person as two or three other of the previous commenters in this thread. Did I go on the attack? Yes, I did, but only in defense against the determined and relentless stupidity and hatred of homophobes with an agenda. Don’t fall into his little trap as I assure you he is laughing his ass off right now.
Tabbie on February 17th, 2011 at 9:41 pm | Link
One other thought: All of your comments have been utter BS, John. My cause is NOT unfounded. Hateful homophobic things have been stated again and again and again here in this thread by various persons with bad attitudes. You know it. You read them. My cause here is to refute the rotten nature of these comments because they are evil in every sense of the word. I’d advise that all of you back off on the gay-bashing lest you inadvertently stir up some straight-bashing activities across the nation which, once started, you’ll likely be unable to control. There’s an old saying that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. I’d venture to say that a gay person scorned would probably give that scorned woman a run for her money any day. Gay people are here to stay, and today they are pissed off and ready more than ever before to fight back for their civil rights as equal human beings. Rosa Parks would not give up her bus seat for a white passenger. Likewise, gays and lesbians will no longer cower in the closet, fearful of bullies like those who’ve graced this page with their ugly comments. Gay people will no longer be denied their liberties, freedoms and equal rights. Patrick Henry said it best with his famous quote, but don’t expect today’s LGBT community to passively take your repression and your violence. Expect a fierce battle, and be prepared to surrender or lose. Grow up, John. Grow a pair. Stop playing innocent and naive because you are neither.
Tabbie on February 18th, 2011 at 12:58 am | Link
Chris,
You are right, wrong place wrong time. However, hateful comments towards anyone shouldn’t have their place on a Home & Garden Television blog. I can see where someone might take offence to the observations that have been made on this page. I can also see by simply adding a retort/commentary one might invite more remarks. With that being said, I will not add any more fuel to this fire. Please refrain from using my name in any further posts.
John on February 18th, 2011 at 6:04 am | Link
Goodbye JOHN. Good riddance. This is NOT a Home & Garden Television blog. This is the “My Biggest Complaint” website where numbskulls, hicks and biggots have the freedom to spread their hatred around like cow dung and VD, and where I am free to rebut their wrong-headed vitriole as often as I like. I am also free to use the word JOHN whenever I damned well please. You are vain, JOHN, and I shall take your name in vain at will.
Tabbie on February 18th, 2011 at 7:07 am | Link
How sad.
Tabbie, You are a very small minded person. Your hateful words are meaningless. You have, in fact, become the very people you so adamantly speak out against. You need help
John on February 18th, 2011 at 7:15 am | Link
Umm, John - I thought you were “not going to add any more fuel to this fire”…so shut it.
DW on February 18th, 2011 at 7:17 am | Link
“refrain from using my name”
John on February 18th, 2011 at 7:22 am | Link
John, you’re just creepy. Seriously creepy.
DW on February 18th, 2011 at 7:23 am | Link
I’ll repeat
refrain from using my name
John on February 18th, 2011 at 7:25 am | Link
Go away, JOHN, and stop pretending to be some wounded little Bambi. Own up to being the Supremacist Homophobe which you really are or else just go away, JOHN. I pity you, JOHN, and your tiny JOHN mind, but make no mistake about it, JOHN: You are the one who is sick and hateful around here. You, JOHN, are the one who needs help. I speak the truth, JOHN, and the truth shall set us free. Mark my words, JOHN, we shall overcome someday.
JOHN, you don’t own an exclusive copyright on the name “John” so I’ll use it and repeat it as often as I damn well please.
I hope there will be an end to this thread now, but no doubt it will get back on topic as more homophobes jump on the bandwagon of sick and twisted pseudomorals and faux family values.
John. John. John. Toilet. John.
Tabbie on February 18th, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Link
Homophobia is a social disease.
War. Rape. Murder. Poverty. Equal rights for gays. Guess which one the Southern Baptist Convention is protesting?
Equal rights are not special rights.
Francis Maude said, “It always seemed to me a bit pointless to disapprove of homosexuality. It’s like disapproving of rain.”
John Stewart joked, “Why can’t they have gay people in the army? Personally, I think they are just afraid of a thousand guys with M16s going, ‘Who’d you call a faggot?’ ”
Troy Perry affirmed, “The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I’m gay.”
And last, but not least, this one is for JOHN:
“The most exhausting thing in life is being insincere.” - Anne Morrow Lindbergh
I wish you peace, John.
Tabbie on February 18th, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Link
John,
Please read Matthew 5:11
Reb
LOL. I’ve read that passage of scripture. It doesn’t apply to John. I’d hardly say John is blessed, because nothing I’ve said against John is false, and certainly John does not represent the values of Jesus Christ. I did not persecute John for the sake of some unknown devotion he may or may not have toward Jesus Christ. That being said, I wish John peace. I hope someday he will come to an understanding about why it is so entirely despicable that this thread was ever created. I hope he will understand why it was wrong of him to come here and deliberately attempt to deflect attention away from the topic at hand. His motives were less than pure. He is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. The facts of the matter are this: this thread was created to for one reason and one reason only: to promote homophobia and the repression of gays and lesbians within our society. My comments are consistently aimed at decrying homophobia and ending civil injustices against the LGBT community. Period.
Tabbie on February 19th, 2011 at 10:13 am | Link
Tabbie,
REPOST:
I am a sinner and I have fallen short of God’s will in my life. Christians are no worse or better than that of those who live the perverted lifestyle of homosexuality. That said, for the most part, those who are Christians recognize that they are sinners and are remorseful for their sins and try to do better.
Many folks who have posted on this topic are lost in their sin. They do not even recognize God or His sovereignty and have no regard for His will in their lives. Irregardless of what they say or believe, they will be very remorseful when they meet Christ in the next life. They don’t understand that God created them to live forever, either in the presence of God or in His absence and all that God requires of them to be with Him forever is faith in Him and His Son and to have a relationship with Him and to seek His will.
The real problem with HGTV and Scripps network is that they promote and normalize a perverted lifestyle. Not only that of homosexuality but also those of pride and gluttony as well as others I am sure.
I wish that someone with deep pockets would start similar programming that would feature average couples and singles and that would not try to normalize such deviant behavior. I also think that we should contact the HGTV advertisers and let them know how 90% of Americans feel on this issue. With only an estimated 1% Homosexual population in the USA it is very telling when about 33% of HGTV shows feature homosexual individuals or couples. It might more aptly be named Homosexual & Gay TV.
Another thing that Christian should understand is that God owns their vote. This is a concept that has been lost in our society. We are going down the same slippery slope that Rome did in our abundance and overindulgence. If we are not careful, we will be subjected to the same fate of extinction as a society.
May the love of God penetrate the petrfide hearts of those who do not understand my post and my He forgive them of their pride and arrogance towards Him in their responses.
Matthew 5:11
Reb
Sorry, Reb, but you are wrong, dead wrong! Your statements are misleading. Your numbers, statistics and facts are all wrong, and you are wasting your life on a dead-end belief system which will get you absolutely nowhere in the end. You may think my heart is petrified, but your head is completely delusional. You are puffed up with an artificial god-induced sense of self-importance. You have placed 100% of your faith in your own personal interpretation of what you believe the truth to be. Unfortunately your version of the truth includes categorizing gay people as being “sinners” and “perverts” when in fact they were born gay just as you were born straight. They did not choose to be gay jany more than you chose to be straight. Your religion promotes hatred toward gay and lesbian people, whether or not you realize it or condone it, simply by the manner in which it classifies homosexuality as a sinful perversion. You have created within your own mind a sense of “saved superiority” and to be honest, I believe Jesus Christ would be tempted to spit in your face if he were alive today. I sincerely hope you will realize the misleading nature of that which you believe before you have wasted your entire life chasing that dead-end Jesus rainbow of yours. I suggest the following materials to help you along your way:
Letting Go of God,
a DVD by Julia Sweeney
and
The God Virus: How Religion Infects Our Lives and Culture,
a book by Darrel W. Ray
Every person believes with equal conviction that their religion is the right religion. Until you can prove to me, Reb, beyond all doubt that yours is the way, the truth and the light, I reserve the right to declare it null and void. I’m the child of a fundamentalist Pentecostal minister. I was raised in church and in a Christian home by loving, strict, God-fearing parents who were idiots to have wasted their lives serving a fairy tale of hope and redemption through the blood and sacrifice of their lord and savior Jesus Christ. I have been on this planet for a very long time. I have seen and experienced a multitude of unbelievable, sometimes surreal things in my lifetime and in many churches of many faiths over the decades. I am confident in my belief that you and your religion are full of crap. I say this with love. Tough love.
Good luck with that faith problem of yours, Reb. I hope you get it worked out someday. Surround yourself with scientists. Take some classes at Uni. Expand your horizons. Learn something new and true.
Tabbie on February 19th, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Link
Further points for you, Reb:
1) Separation of church and state is the very thing which guarantees your freedom to worship as you see fit. The slippery slope is when you try to inject your god into government. What happens someday when the majority of religious people in this nation aren’t Christian? You won’t be so happy then, will you, but the precedent will already have been set. Prepare to pray to Allah. Theocracies suck for everyone but those who are in power.
2) “Irregardless” is incorrect English. “Regardless” is the word to use, or “irrespective” can be used if you prefer it. Obviously you are undereducated.
3) I won’t be meeting Christ in the afterlife. I don’t believe you will be meeting him either. I believe Christ is dead and that there is no afterlife. I refuse to recognize the sovereignty of what I see as a nonexistent being. Dead is dead. Billions of other people on the planet believe just as firmly in their gods as you believe in yours. You can’t all be right even if I am wrong. Who is to say who has all the answers anyway? Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Southern Baptists, Free Methodists, Mennonites, Pentecostals, Scientologists, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and all the other groups each believe they are the ones who have the right information when it comes to spiritual matters. Most religious sects take it even a step further by believing they are exclusive in the correctness of their beliefs and that all others must convert to their own way of belief in order to achieve salvation or the equivalent thereof.
4) HGTV doesn’t “promote” or seek to “normalize” any particular lifestyle. Your statement reeks of paranoia. HGTV shows a cross section of design and style. Ordinary people of all types are featured on their shows with no editorial comment from HGTV advocating or discrediting anyone’s creed, religion, race, color, nationality or sexuality. HGTV is about design and style in the garden and home.
5) I see you as being the pervert and deviant here. You seem to be incapable of accepting the fact that others in this world are not exactly like you and don’t live exactly according to your creed or system of belief. You see people who do not share your belief system as being sinners, damned, perverted, deviant, lost, petrified, arrogant, and less than whole. Your xenophobia apparently extends to anyone who does not share your same religious beliefs. What you may not realize is just how destructive this pattern of thought process becomes in your daily life. It changes the way you view, value and treat others. Ultimately It makes you something less than human.
How sad it is for me to see someone who is as close-minded as you are. You are completely unable to accept the validity, normality and wholesomeness of homosexual men and women living their lives openly either as singles or as happily married couples within society at large. Your beliefs are based on an irrational interpretational methodology of choosing and defining selected Biblical scriptures as being literal edicts for everyone’s behavior. Then you define other selected scripture passages as being no longer applicable in the literal sense to our lives in this day and age. These choices and definitions are made based upon any number of convoluted paths of reasoning and divination which you resolutely hold and defend while refusing to consider anything different or learn anything new.
Good luck with all of that. I wish you peace.
Tabbie on February 19th, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Link
I am just going to copy and paste my post from before because not ONE of these so called Christian’s have been able to respond to the fact that they are picking and choosing what parts of the Bible to follow. And why the new convent of Jesus Christ makes only the homophobic parts of the old testament still relevant.
my big question is-without the Bible what argument is there to say homosexuality is wrong? Not everyone is a Christian, and in this society we have freedom of religion. Is it wrong because “the Bible says so?” I would also like to know, why its ok to pick and choose which parts of the Bible you do follow? Do you treat your spouse as a second class citizen? or As a woman do you expect to be treated as a second class citizen? Do you beat your children, kill them if they disobey? Why is it ok, to pick and choose which parts of the Bible should be followed? As Christian’s quoting the Bible, you have to deal with the fact that you yourself do not follow it to the letter and picking and choosing which passages you do follow is a huge contradiction since you expect the rest of society to have the same “morals”.
Why do you have sex for pleasure? Why are you ok with women voting? Why do you tolerate disobedience of your children? Why are those things OK for you, but as a homosexual man I have to be subject to ridicule using the same book in which you do not follow yourself? The verses often quoted against homosexuality are in the Old Testament, which is full of what Christian’s consider outdated laws and regulations made unnecessary by the new covenant of Jesus Christ. Which is why women are treated equal (or as far as our society has come), why Christian’s do not need to keep Kosher, and why we do not have to sacrifice animals. Out of all the things on the Old Testament-why is it still OK to decide that Jesus’s death didn’t change the verses on homosexuality but it changed everything else.
I would really like an answers to these questions and to know what specifically Jesus said about gay men and women which make those old laws still important for the modern day Christian and who decided which laws are relevant and irrelevant to the modern society.
Chris on February 22nd, 2011 at 11:50 am | Link
True…everybody has a right to live how they see fit. God gives us that freedom. But, with freedom, comes responsibility, and consequence. God is not a hater..he loves people. However, he abhors the sin.God loves the liar, the fornicator, the idolator, the thief, the murderer, the rapist, the terrorist, the adulterer, , etc. I myself have been responsible of breaking most, if not all, of the Commandments that are there so we can have a better life in this life,,and in the one to come. If we lived in a society with no laws and no consequence, however, where would we be. There has to be laws..and penalties. A gay acquaintance told me that most gay people are gay because of their gay tendencies. I have had tendencies to cheat on my wife..I chose against it. Many have tendencies to steal, they decide against it. Serial murders say they gave in to their tendencies to kill…does it make it ok?God loves gay people. However, he despises their sin. If there was no consequence and penalty, he would not be a just God. A judge who will not punish those who break the law is not doing justice.A parent who does not punish children who do wrong is not a good parent. And, yes, have no doubt..there IS a heaven, and a hell. Do not fall for the lie of the deceiver, and believe his lie that hell doesnt exist. We are ALL headed there..none of us is worthy. Only through the grace of God..and the covering of sins through His Son, are we made clean. And yes, that grace covers gay people as well. There are those who say nothing is said about homosexuality in the Word of God. Below is part of what the Word of God says:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:27
And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
1 Timothy 1:10
The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
This is from the Holy Bible…the Word of God. After reading this, when Your day comes, You Cannot say now, that you were never told. And the day will come sooner than you know or want. Its up to you now..
jas on February 22nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm | Link
OH…btw Chris…this is of the New Testament………….
jas on February 22nd, 2011 at 5:54 pm | Link
1 Timothy 1:10
The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
thats one translation!
New International Version (©1984)
for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers–and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
New Living Translation (©2007)
The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching
English Standard Version (©2001)
the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
International Standard Version (©2008)
for those involved in sexual immorality, for homosexuals, for kidnappers, for liars, for false witnesses, and for whatever else goes against the healthy teaching
GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Laws are intended for people involved in sexual sins, for homosexuals, for kidnappers, for liars, for those who lie when they take an oath, and for whatever else is against accurate teachings.
King James Bible
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
American King James Version
For fornicators, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for enslavers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
American Standard Version
for fornicators, for abusers of themselves with men, for menstealers, for liars, for false swearers, and if there be any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;
Bible in Basic English
For those who go after loose women, for those with unnatural desires, for those who take men prisoners, who make false statements and false oaths, and those who do any other things against the right teaching,
Douay-Rheims Bible
For fornicators, for them who defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and whatever other thing is contrary to sound doctrine,
Darby Bible Translation
fornicators, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers; and if any other thing is opposed to sound teaching,
English Revised Version
for fornicators, for abusers of themselves with men, for menstealers, for liars, for false swearers, and if there be any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;
Webster’s Bible Translation
For lewd persons, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for men-stealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,
Weymouth New Testament
fornicators, sodomites, slave-dealers, liars and false witnesses; and for whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching
World English Bible
for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and for any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;
Young’s Literal Translation
whoremongers, sodomites, men-stealers, liars, perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that to sound doctrine is adverse,
This is the word of the Lord….and its all constant and perfect of course!
Chris on February 22nd, 2011 at 6:24 pm | Link
Genesis 1:26-31
V26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
V27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
we were all created in God’s image. Who is to say that being homosexual is not a part of his image? I was created in God’s image just as much as you have been.
According to Cornell university
“Homosexual behavior has been observed in barnyard animals (bulls, cows, stallions, donkeys, cats, rams goats, pigs), 18 species in captivity (including rats, antelope, elephants, hyenas, monkeys, apes, rabbits, lions, porcupines, hamsters, mice, porpoises). For example, two female macaque monkeys were observed giving each other orgasms. Homosexual behavior has also been observed in several species in the wild– anolis lizards, mountain sheep, seagulls, langurs, bonobo chimpanzees.(p.99, for info and photos on homosexuality in bonobos:
De Waal, F. (1997). Bonobo: The forgotten ape. Berkeley: University of California Press. Weinrich, J. D. (1982). Is homosexuality biological natural? In W. Paul, J. D. Weinrich, J. C. Gonsiorek, & M. E. Hotvedt (Eds.), Homosexuality: Social, psychological, and biological issues. Beverly Hills, CA: Sage.)
According to the Seattle times:
We try not to impose values on these things,” said Osborne, who has studied orcas for three decades. “But it looks pretty homosexual.”
From whales to buffalo to Caspian terns, a profusion of animals exhibit behavior that in humans would be called gay.
In his book “Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity,” Seattle biologist Bruce Bagemihl estimates 450 species display some form of homosexuality, which can include same-sex courtship, displays of affection, sexual activity, long-term pairings and parenting.(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002340835_gaycritter19m.html)
If homosexuality was so unnatural why does it happen to animals which only use instinct?
Did you also know, the beloved King James who commissioned the most popular translation of the Bible slept with men on a regular basis.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
so the part of the verse “men who practice homosexuality” do you know the actual Greek word that was used in this passage?
“arsenokoite.” which translates as “homosexual offenders” very different meaning then “men who practice homosexuality)
Romans 1:27
And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
If you read Roman’s 26 with Roman’s 27
Romans 1:26-27 - “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”
Again- a very different meaning here when its put into context. Does it mean adultery, sex with prostitute, homosexuality or something much different? its not clear exactly what the Bible means by natural relations
Why was Paul writing this in the first place? He was writing a letter to Rome in regards to the behavior’s of those who did not worship the one true God.
Romans 2 actually begins with a warning from Paul-
Therefore, you have no excuse-every one of you who judges. For when you pass judgment on another person, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, practice the very same things.
1 Timothy 1:10
The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
“men who practice homosexuality” - once again the word used is “ARSENOKOITAI”- is a word we are unsure of the meaning but scholars believe it means “effeminate call boys” or refers to prostitution or child molestation - Very different from the word homosexuality.
Were you aware that the word homosexual didn’t appear in the Bible until 1958!!!
the words” arsenokoitai and malakos used in 1 timothy and 1 corin. Have had different meanings depending on the year and the times:
Version Year Translation
Koine Greek 56 A.D. malakoi arsenokoitai
Latin Vulgate 405 molles masculorum concubitores
Wyclif 1508 lecchouris synne of Sodom
Tyndale 1525 weaklings abusers of themselves with mankynde
Great Bible 1539 weaklynges abusers of themselves with mankynde
Geneva Bible 1560 wantons bouggerers
Bishops Bible 1568 effeminate liers with mankinde
Reims-Douai 1609 effeminate liers with mankind
King James Authorized Version 1611 effeminate abusers of themselves with mankind
The Revised Version 1811 effeminate abusers of themselves with men
Darby 1890 those who make women of themselves abuse themselves with men
Young 1898 effeminate sodomites
American Standard Version 1901 effeminate abusers of themselves with men
RVA 1909 los afeminados los que se echan con varones
Louis Segond 1910 les effimines les infames
Wesley’s New Testament 1938 guilty of unnatural crime
Goodspeed 1951 sensual given to unnatural vice
Jerusalem Bible (French) 1955 effeminate people with infamous habits
Phillips 1958 effeminate pervert
Interlinear Greek-English New Testament 1958 voluptuous persons Sodomites
The Amplified Version 1958 those who participate in homosexuality
New English 1961 homosexual perversion
New American Standard Bible 1963 effeminate homosexuals
Today’s English Version 1966 homosexual perverts
Jerusalem Bible (German) 1968 sissies child molesters
Jerusalem Bible (English) 1968 Catamites Sodomites
New American Catholic 1970 homosexual perverts sodomites
Revised Standard Version 1971 sexual perverts
The Living Bible 1971 homosexuals
New International Version 1978 male prostitutes homosexual offenders
New King James 1979 homosexuals sodomites
rev Luther Bibel 1984 lustknaben knabenschander
Elberfelder Bibel 1985 Wollustlinge Knabenschander
New Jerusalem Bible 1985 self indulgent sodomites
New American Catholic 1987 boy prostitutes practicing homosexuals
Revised English Bible 1989 sexual pervert
New Revised Standard 1989 male prostitutes sodomites
New Living 1996 male prostitutes homosexuals
Third Millenium Bible 1998 effeminate abusers of themselves with mankind
Notice the change 1958!
But despite all the actual proof out there, that there is issues with the Bible, translation and interpretation. People still pick and choose what they will follow from the Bible and what they condemn.
Chris on February 22nd, 2011 at 7:13 pm | Link
The Word Schmurd Turd of God my ass. I can’t wait until “that day” comes for you, Jas. Talk about a big nuthin’ …
I sincerely wish there would be some sort of awareness for you after death just so you could find out the tragic truth that you wasted your life being wrong wrong wrong about your god and your religion. Alas, you will just be dead — dead as a doornail and you’ll have no awareness of anything forevermore.
Tabbie on February 22nd, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Link
I do disagree with you there Tabbie, but unlike the other Christian’s - and I use that term loosely- I respect your decision to not believe in God. Though I do wish one day you will find him again- in whatever form it is not my place to say if you are right or wrong nor is it my place to judge. I can’t say its God’s place to judge you either because to you there isn’t a God (or at least from my understanding of your post). I hope that makes sense, and I do appreciate that there is someone else on here fighting against all this hatred along with me.
Chris on February 22nd, 2011 at 7:49 pm | Link
I wish you peace, Chris. I respect your right to believe. I respect everyone’s right to believe or not believe. To each his own. Live and let live. What I don’t respect, as you’ve figured out already, is someone who tries to use their religious beliefs as an excuse to spread supremacy, discrimination, repression and bigotry.
Thank you for your kind sentiments, but I won’t “find him again” as I am firm in my belief that there is no god. Julia Sweeney makes a good explanation for how I feel about the whole god situation in her video “Letting Go of God,” as does Darrel W. Ray in his book, “The God Virus: How religion infects our lives and culture” and I hope you will take the time to check these two things out — not to convert you to my way of thinking, but to enlighten you as to how and why I feel the way I do. It will help you to understand how I feel and why I feel the way I do — just as I understand your sentiments as well of those of the fundamentalist, Catholic and other homophobic Bible thumpers who post herein. I was raised in the culture. I know it well. I even attended Bible College.
HGTV has no agenda other than to provide programming about design and style in and around the home. I watch the channel frequently, and it is only on occasion that I see a gay person or couple on the screen. The vast majority of the time it is heterosexual individuals such as couples or couples with children.
Tabbie on February 22nd, 2011 at 8:42 pm | Link
I will have to look for those books. Ive always enjoyed studying religions but Ive never looked into a lack of religion. I challenge every other Christian on this board to read those books. I would bet more than half are not secure enough in their faith to even consider that someone can make a case against religion and I am guessing they are very strong cases as well.
Chris on February 22nd, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Link
To each his own.. yes. GYou keep sweeping God “under the rug” so that you wont feel conviction and can live life according to your own rules and however you see fit and right for you. Just an FYI…in Satanism, the primary rule is to as you want, how you want, when you want……. sound familiar…. ?????
jas on February 22nd, 2011 at 10:12 pm | Link
Jas- you may want to read your Bible again. God has given us all the freedom of choice and is also very clear that we not judge others. Its funny how you can make a personal attack on Tabbie without giving it a second thought but you can’t even look at the verifiable facts that I posted about the very book in which you are using against her and a book which you obviously know very little about except for in ignorance and in a very superficial, false manner. It is people like you, Jas, that turn people away from Christianity. From what you keep saying God is disgusted by my behavior, so why should I worship a God who will respond to me in this way? If you are trying to take people away from God, you are doing a good job of it.
chris on February 22nd, 2011 at 10:36 pm | Link
It doesn’t sound familiar at all, Jas. I don’t believe in Satan nor do I worship anyone or anything called Satan. Also, I do have morals. I follow rules. I use good judgement. I don’t just run through life willy nilly doing whatever stupid thing happens to cross my mind at any given moment. People like that get locked up for a reason. Don’t compare me to the insane or to criminals who either have no morals or choose to ignore them. As humans we are capable of using sound reasoning and judgement to come to a consensus of rules which we all can live by in order to have a civilized society which is safe, peaceful and prosperous for everyone. Mankind came up with all the rules for behavior we live by today despite what you may believe to the contrary.
I might change my mind about God on the day we all simultaneously witness some irrefutable God Almighty miraculously appear worldwide and make absolutely clear to each and every one of us exactly what is expected of us. If God is real and God is God, God should be perfectly capable of doing just that and repeating this action frequently so that everyone down through time has the equal opportunity to see and hear firsthand for themselves direct from the source in an irrefutable manner what the rules of conduct really and truly are. No more multiple religions. No more multiple versions of the same religion. No more differing doctrines. No fuzzy translations of translations of translations. No more Councils to include this book or exclude that book. No more weird interpretations. No more end-time prophecies, meaningful numbers or strange visions of delirous imprisoned men from thousands of years ago. No more ancient Roman Sun God or Pagan influences over Hebrew scriptures. No convoluted relationships between Old and New Testaments which explain away one Levitical law while preserving another. Just the Truth. I believe any being who is truly God could and would do such a thing if this God truly wanted every special created being to have an equal opportunity to know without a shadow of a doubt the untainted and exactly accurate version of His or Her Truth. Don’t give me some lame argument that I am in no position to decide what God should or should not do. This is what I want. I’m not the first to want this nor am I the last. Give me irrefutable proof. This is all I ask. Your Bible your doctrines, and your circular reasoning are not irrefutable. They are full of holes. They are laughable at best. They are holey, but they are not holy.
I don’t sweep any god under the rug in order to avoid conviction, Jas. I am exposed to your God all the time via my parents. I spend a lot of time caring for them as they are getting to be quite elderly now. Dad’s a retired minister. I love my parents dearly, yet I resent the religion they’ve tried to shove down my throat since I was born. I respect their right to believe what they believe, yet I find it all to be very silly and pointless. I don’t see that it has done them any good aside from giving them their social community of fellow believers which provides a lot of supportive friendships. It also gives them a false sense of hope and security.
They pray before every meal and frequently for many other reasons as well. They pray for me constantly. They pray for my health and for each other. They get calls from the prayer chain all the time for this need and that. They are prayer warriors. My parents spend a lot of time in prayers of worship as well. It’s not always just asking for things. “Be still and know that I am God.” Scripture reading is also an important aspect of their daily lives.
My parents attend church worship and praise services, Bible studies and prayer meetings several times per week. Sometimes I even allow myself to get dragged off to church with them. Songs are sung, both current music as well as older hymns sometimes. There’s a lot of prayer, sermons and altar calls given for salvation. None of it affects me in the least. I see through it all. It’s a lot of endorphins and willful suspension of disbelief on the part of the believers who surround me. I think the supportive community of the faithful is great, but the rest of it is bat**** crazy.
At this point in their lives I no longer try to reason with them about their devotion to this fairytale of God. I see no point in upsetting them any further or trying to get them to see the folly of their ways. They are not going to change and I might as well just let them live out what time they have left in peace and harmony. They haven’t stopped trying to convert me, but at least they’ve become more gentle in their persuasions and I’ve become more gentle in my rebuttals. Age and affection have a way of doing that.
I am human. I am the product of evolution. I am mortal. I will die as will we all. I choose to live my life as best I can, following the rules of society in an honest, orderly fashion as I go along and creating my own happiness and fulfilment through my work, my love, my interests and activities, and through my friends and family.
HGTV programming sometimes gives me unique insights into how I can improve my surroundings here on earth so that I might enjoy my life just a little bit more. I am grateful for that. Never once have they told me I should or should not be gay. They’ve never even told me about sex nor recommended any type of sexual activity. I’ve sure seen a lot of landscaping, however, and some great design ideas and carpentry tips which have come in handy over the years. Thank you HGTV!
Tabbie on February 23rd, 2011 at 1:20 am | Link
Jas came out of the one load his mom should have swallowed, I guess Ill have to teach her a better technique.
Mark on February 23rd, 2011 at 10:36 am | Link
Its funny how when we start to quote the Bible we never get a response. They understand so little about the book they bash us with that they cant come up with a response.
Chris on February 23rd, 2011 at 7:22 pm | Link
Jesus died for our sins, if we dont sin he died for nothing
Mark on February 23rd, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Link
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Wholesale Makeup Brushes on March 14th, 2011 at 8:07 am | Link
I’m not sure what the percentage of this country is gay, But I am positive you you go out of your way to depict gay couples. For being maybe 3 %
of the population you seem to find 40% of your shows showing this lifestyle. And, today, ended the show with a gay male couple kissing.
No matter how much you push your agenda, and want people to see it as acceptable and normal, it is not and never will be. Can you not just have a show without an obvious agenda? Really disgusted…..
Tony on March 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Link
Sorry Tony, I’m a size queen but if your ass is decent bend over and ill give you a good ****. You will be screaming for more before I’m done honey.
mark on March 28th, 2011 at 3:45 pm | Link
I agree. I think at time you must be a gay couple to get a makeover. I am not gay and would like to see a non-homosexual designer.
Boyd on April 4th, 2011 at 7:40 am | Link
I was one of those gay couples you speak of, and we as a couple have worked our fingers to the bone to able to afford a makeover from HGTV- they aren’t free, so we gays aren’t getting handouts. Another thing- I’m 41, and only in my most recent 5 years or so have I had the opportunity to see others like me on TV- Gay, much more “normal” than you think. What is abnormal is the behaviour of people like you, and some of your supporters, who have no idea who they are standing next to, or being served food by, or who might live in your own house. Yes, someone like me- ‘not normal’, gay!
Here’s an idea. Start your own design network. Call it SHGTV. Good luck.
Andre on April 25th, 2011 at 5:21 pm | Link
I agree way TOO many gays on hgtv… I no longer watch it. It’s not just the actual “designers” (damn, the crap that’s on tv), but the individuals that are show-cased on the show like the ones on house hunters international, or property virgins… It’s just so disgusting to watch this network shove this crap down our throats…
Tom C on June 10th, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Link
Funny how when people just give their opinion or stance against homosexuality, they are instantly attacked by the homosexual community, but when they are for it they are seen as a hero……Hello kettle I am black.
Ryan on June 19th, 2011 at 11:21 am | Link
Wow every one is losing it these days well lets be honest if the 99 % of the world becomes homo then only 1% will continue to the next generation because 2 woman can’t have child together or 2 men can’t have child together. So if homosexuality was normal or natural they could have something to share in their love a child gift of nature, so these leaves us saying it is abnormal. To be honest i have fallen to the sin my self and every body does it too may be 50% of the world population as a mistake as a sin so every one get over it not only gay people are going to hell but also thieves,killers, singers actors dancers lairs every one who broken the word of God so instead of arguing here just lets enjoy our lives until we directly go to hell to burn for the rest of our lives.
Dave on July 23rd, 2011 at 4:28 am | Link
If you are a Christian, then just look at it as “prophecy being fulfilled”. America is a modern-day Sodom & Gomorrah. Rejoice & let the Lord do his work. God is allowing the public display of homosexual behavior through venues such as HGTV. If you are a true believer/faithful follower, when God gets ready to destroy America, you & your family will be summoned to leave the land. Stop attacking the homosexuals….pray for them & then let God’s will be done.
Amy Smith on July 26th, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Link
You people are crazy! You are so afraid of yourselves to just let people live. I wouldn’t call any of you Christians. You guys are so full of hatred toward your fellow man. I hope your children are gay, its the only way you might open your eyes.
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 3:44 am | Link
Actually, I am so full of love for the Creator that I believe in his scripture. I am old enough to know that people are not born gay as many homosexuals “like” to claim. It is a behavior that occurs when you do not train a child properly. The explosion of single mother homes where little boys don’t have role models to become men & where little girls are taught “you don’t need a man” has greatly contributed to homosexuality in America. Not to mention, children who were molested by homos who grow up to think that sex should be that way. As for rare isolated events of animals being observed in nature with homosexual practices, animals have also been observed eating their feces, killing their young, not wearing clothes, stealing other animals’ food, wallowing in mud, etc- does that mean we should do those things, too? No. God does not want us to live on the level of animals in nature. We were created in His image.
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 5:09 am | Link
Religious faniticism is considered a mental illness while homosexuality is not. I work with state assistance and would be happy to help you find a good antipsychotic.
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 5:13 am | Link
What’s wrong with being religious Chris?
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 7:11 am | Link
There is nothing wrong with religion… Its how you use it to condemn other people that I have a problem with. Its people like yourself that allow Fred Phelps and his clan to run around and destroy the very meaning of religion. God loves everyone, to say anything else is very unchristian.
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 7:34 am | Link
Even saying you are praying for the “sin” is encorging hateful behavior in others. The majority of hate crimes, murders and discrimination of GLBT individuals come from people using religion the wrong way. You vocing your thoughts on the matter and agreeing with the negative opinion- using the bible as your shield is showing support for these behaviors against GLBT people.
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 7:43 am | Link
Its very upsetting to see your comments. As a gay Christian- the more I hear people putting me down and telling me I am going to hell (no matter how nice they are) the less I want to call myself a Christian. Why would anyone want to worship a God who hates who they are? You are diving GLBT persons away from God with your hatred. I am so tired of you self-rightgous people looking to everyone else for sins instead of looking at yourself. Read the book of Romans Paul is very clear in several passages you have no right to judge another.
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 7:55 am | Link
OK, Chris. You have to stand before the judgement of God for your sins & I have to stand before the judgement of God for mine. I can’t control what scripture has said in regards to homosexuality, I only speak/write/type the Truth of scripture. It is not about condemnation. I would treat you with the same respect that I give all people. I feel the same about fornicators, adulterers, whoremongers, etc. America will be judged & punished by God for it’s sins. I hope to be traveling on the path of righteousness when it happens. If not, then I will receive the wrath, too. I do not hide behind my sins & try to convince others that my sin is not sin. We all struggle with sin everyday…the key is to accept it as sin and shy away from the wrongdoing. Do not let the world convince you it is OK.
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 8:28 am | Link
You really do need medication- you sound exactly like Shirley Phelps… Using God and the Bible as a cover for bigatroy and intolerance. The Phelps family says the exact same thing- its God’s who hates not me….. You should join them in protesting funeral’s.
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 8:37 am | Link
No, I should not join them in protesting funerals. Some people enjoy being mass murders & serial killers. If I used your standards, then I would just tolerate them & feel that its OK for them to continue killing. I am not a bigot because I do tolerate the belief of others. I am a firm supporter of the word of God.
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 8:57 am | Link
“There are a variety of definitions for the concept of religious addiction. Arterburn and Felton (1992) state that “when a person is excessively devoted to something or surrenders compulsively and habitually to something, that pathological and physiological dependency on a substance, relationship, or behavior results in addiction” (p. 104). They indicate that, “like any other addiction, the practice of religion becomes central to every other aspect of life…all relationships evolve from the religion, and the dependency on the religious practice and its members removes the need for a dependency on God…the religion and those who practice it then become the central power for the addict who no longer is in touch with God” (p. 117). ”
Wonderful article by Dr. James Slobodzien, Psy.D., CSAC, is a Hawaii licensed psychologist and certified substance abuse counselor who earned his doctorate in Clinical Psychology. He is credentialed by the National Registry of Health Service Providers in Psychology. He has over 20-years of mental health experience primarily working in the fields of alcohol/ substance abuse and behavioral addictions in hospital, prison, and court settings. He is an adjunct professor of Psychology and also maintains a private practice as a mental health consultant.
you can read the whole article here: http://www.ecauldron.net/articles/archives/2006/05/entry_51.php
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 9:03 am | Link
I do not attend church regularly, I believe in God’s word and I strive everyday to be on the right path. I do not tolerate sin, in myself or others. I will not tolerate murderers, gays, cheaters, adulterers, liars, etc. I am not free from sin, but I am striving to be upright & holy. My belief in following the word of God is not an addiction, it is a way of life. Because of it, I don’t steal, lie, & cheat on my husband. Now, Chris, am I to believe because I want to follow the word of God I have a mental health problem?
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 9:19 am | Link
“There are a variety of definitions for the concept of religious addiction. Arterburn and Felton (1992) state that “when a person is excessively devoted to something or surrenders compulsively and habitually to something, that pathological and physiological dependency on a substance, relationship, or behavior results in addiction” (p. 104). They indicate that, “like any other addiction, the practice of religion becomes central to every other aspect of life…all relationships evolve from the religion, and the dependency on the religious practice and its members removes the need for a dependency on God…the religion and those who practice it then become the central power for the addict who no longer is in touch with God” (p. 117). “
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 9:33 am | Link
“”addiction is born of the human desire for transcendence which is often perverted or misplaced by societies that encourage their members to seek ultimate meaning in dimensions that have no regard for the transcendent” (p. 325). Heise (1991, p. 11) explores the fundamentalist Christian’s focus on perfectionism, and it’s possible contribution to an increase in dysfunctional individuals, family systems, and addictions. “
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 9:35 am | Link
Poly-behavioral addiction would be described as a state of periodic or chronic physical, mental, emotional, cultural, sexual and/ or spiritual/ religious intoxication. These various types of intoxication are produced by repeated obsessive thoughts and compulsive practices involved in pathological relationships to any mood-altering substance, person, organization, belief system, and/ or activity. The individual has an overpowering desire, need or compulsion with the presence of a tendency to intensify their adherence to these practices, and evidence of phenomena of tolerance, abstinence and withdrawal, in which there is always physical and/ or psychic dependence on the effects of this pathological relationship. In addition, there is a 12 - month period in which an individual is pathologically involved with three or more behavioral and/ or substance use addictions simultaneously, but the criteria are not met for dependence for any one addiction in particular (Slobodzien, J., 2005). In essence, Poly-behavioral addiction is the synergistically integrated chronic dependence on multiple physiologically addictive substances and behaviors (e.g., using/ abusing substances - nicotine, alcohol, & drugs, and/or acting impulsively or obsessively compulsive in regards to gambling, food binging, sex, and/ or religion, etc.) simultaneously.
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 9:38 am | Link
So, I’ll ask again….Do I have a mental health problem because I want to follow the word of God?
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 9:39 am | Link
and again… read the article… your need to live without sin is exactly the type of behavior the article is talking about. The most common problem with addicts is refusing to admit to it.
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 9:40 am | Link
A “yes or no” answer would be perfect, Chris. Can you provide one for my question?
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 9:48 am | Link
Also, let me know if you think we should tolerate murderers & rapist.
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 9:49 am | Link
you do not have a mental healh problem for following, its the extream in which you take it which you are having diffculty understanding…. your inability to comprehend points to even more mental health issues. I suggest you see a therapist.
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 10:03 am | Link
What extreme am I taking it to?
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 10:18 am | Link
here we go again around in a circle! I have to work, Im not sittin at home waiting for Jesus to bring me my welfare check!
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 10:19 am | Link
Wow, you are avoiding the questions. I have to work, too since I am not on welfare. Please answer the questions….a)should we tolerate murderers & rapist and b)what extreme am I taking it to?
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 10:24 am | Link
a) of course not b) read your own post: “I do not attend church regularly, I believe in God’s word and I strive everyday to be on the right path. I do not tolerate sin, in myself or others. I will not tolerate murderers, gays, cheaters, adulterers, liars, etc. I am not free from sin, but I am striving to be upright & holy. My belief in following the word of God is not an addiction, it is a way of life. Because of it, I don’t steal, lie, & cheat on my husband” You focus on self-hatred and live in fear of sining.
The Bible doesnt take well to women speaking to men the way you are to me.
1 Timothy 2:11-15
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.
This might help as well: Prov 31:10-31
Why are you working? thats a sin as well, women belong in the home!
1 Tim 2:8-11
you should be quiet, submissive when men are around.
you cant help you are a woman but according to the Bible everything you do is a sin
Leviticus 15 describes very well how sinful it is to be a woman….
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 10:45 am | Link
There are many more examples of sinning by just being a woman then it is being gay, I hope you are against women too..
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 10:51 am | Link
Wow, your knowledge of the bible astounds me. Can you quote some portions on homosexuality? I work from home. I am not placing myself in any position of authority over you, I am simply sharing what knowledge I have of the Word of God. Quote the parts of the Bible that says everything women do are sin. Thanks, Chris.
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 11:11 am | Link
Also, do you assume the dominant (male) or submissive (female) role in your gay relationship?
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am | Link
another prefect example of you having a relgious additction/mental healh problem. You focus so much on not sinning you do not work outside of the home, which is inhibiting you from partaking in the normal activities of life.
Sharing is a form of teaching which is prohibited by the Bible from women unless it is to their children.
As far as my relationship goes thats none of your business.
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 11:24 am | Link
Since you made so many assumptions about my life, I thought it would be OK to ask about yours. I don’t like to assume things about people. I like to operate on truth. Plenty of people work from home, telecommute, it is a new trend in upper class operations. Plus it is healthier for the environment. I think you have a sexual addiction to men that you need psychotherapy for.
Amy Smith on July 27th, 2011 at 1:35 pm | Link
now that opinion went out of style in the 60’s lol! I can make any assumption about your life I wan. you are the one being a bigot and I am defending myself from your ignorance and stupidity.
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Link
you are one of those stupid ****s who always has to be right, perfect and have the last word. Im done with this BS. Go **** yourself in HELL!
chris on July 27th, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Link
I believe gay people are born that way, god creates everyone of us. These people that don’t like to watch HGTV should change the channel and get more educated. This is our world and glad that so many people can now live like they were born.. God forbid if one of their children turn out to be gay. Come on people just accept everyone as a human beings.
lena Falcone on July 27th, 2011 at 10:50 pm | Link
I am 73 years old. Parents raised their children differently back in my day. As TV got more & more degenerate over the years, I have noticed more & more degenerate behavior in the public. The media dictates what is good for us. Girls used to not be seen parading around in skirts up to their behinds with see-thru shirts. But since TV keeps showing girls like that, now it is OK & the norm. If gays are portrayed in the media as being the way to go, then being gay is going to become the norm. That’s just how it works. HGTV used to be one of my favorite stations, but they got rid of my craft shows. I’ve noticed the increase in gays on the channel too & I just don’t watch it. You have the choice to change the channel people.
Perlie on July 28th, 2011 at 5:44 am | Link
Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (King James Version) - For all the people who are calling homosexuality sick, sinful, etc. and proclaiming that homosexuals will not “enter the gates of heaven”. Don’t forget that in the same verse homosexuals are lumped in with adulterers, fornicators, and idolaters. So if you have had premarital sex, cheated on your wife/husband, idolize stars, lust after money, etc. you would be EQUALLY sick and perverse in god’s eyes. Let he who is without sin…
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Squiggy on July 28th, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Link
WOW.. Your ignorance is not only staggering but selective. It seems that you happy to pick and choose what doesn’t serve YOU. The bible also says touching pig skin is a sin. Tell that to the NFL. Oh that’s right that was taken out of the bible!!! You’re a disgrace to god and spiritual beliefs. Grow up.
Stephen DImmick on August 2nd, 2011 at 9:46 am | Link
Fxxk you. Right wing bigot, My question is why sre there so many stupid brerders on the show who dont have a clue.
Mark on August 9th, 2011 at 5:33 pm | Link
My goodness reading all the anti gay and homophobic rants on here. One would think you all are just the better of society with all your imperfections and fault finding..rejection critisizing anyone who doesn’t fit your idealism or what normal is. Gay agenda?..why are you so afraid of us? We just ask to be accepted and treated as equals by a good lot of you imperfect heterosexuals who have your secret sins and would hate to have them exposed. Any human just wants to be loved and accepted..as far as I understand. What makes you think you are so much better than anyone who is not just like you ..with all your imperfections and faults?
kerry on August 9th, 2011 at 9:14 pm | Link
Could we not just shoot all the homophobias and make the world a better place
Christians/ religion - ha - as we all read most of the priests are trying get into the poor choir boys pants
Rob on August 14th, 2011 at 2:24 pm | Link
People are gay. So what? Don’t you have anything better to do than judge other people? There is no such thing as Heaven or Sin. Those are politically motivated ‘religious’ concepts to oppress the masses.I agree with Fred and think his post is one of the BEST here.
TolerantT on August 22nd, 2011 at 11:05 pm | Link
Why are there so many white people and Canadians on HGTV? That’s what I want to know. And why are so many people afraid of gay people? It’s not like they club baby seals or burn crosses.
Ben on August 29th, 2011 at 9:28 pm | Link
I am an interior designer and love the work of many interior designers on HGTV. David Bromstad is an amazing artist and designer plus seems like a truly wonderful human being. He has a wonderful quality about him and it is a shame that there are so many prejudice people out there that care more about who he has a sexual relationship with rather than actually see what the great personality he exudes. He does his job excellently…if he were straight his sexual orientation wouldn’t even be a factor or thought.
Stop using religion as a reason to rationalize hatred. Start having an individual thought that does not quote the bible…God gave us brains to think. Start loving EVERYONE (regardless of race, creed or color) because that is the right thing to do. You have no right to judge…it is not your job. God does not preach hatred and prejudice…no matter what the bible quotes. You worry about you. It must take so much time and energy to be so hate filled. Let go of the anger and start enjoying life. God will make the ultimate judgement in the end…so put your energy into something productive like curing cancer. And how do you know that your level of hatred won’t prevent you from getting into heaven?
To you racist bastards…just so you know…I am a white woman married to a gorgeous black man and we have a BEAUTIFUL biracial little boy. The fact that you hate us just makes us even happier. I know that if there were a race war that I would have to go to the “other side” and that is just fine by me. I think the fact that biracial child tend to be so beautiful is just a sign that God loves when we all get along despite diversity.
Stop the hate…start the love people.
Claire on August 30th, 2011 at 11:08 am | Link
Stop watching the show if you don’t like it. Men living with Men and Women living with Women are natural and you don’t need to view it and if you don’t like what you see….take a look at prime time. Get real the world is changing and you need to, too!!! We live here and you made us….
Rob on August 31st, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Link
To the woman who says she is Christian and feels gay couples on HGTV is being rammed down her throat what a shame you are allowd to have and raise children with those hateful beliefs you harbor. idiot.
Craig on September 9th, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Link
Wow. I can’t even believe this is even an issue. It is absolutely unbelievable how cruel (and stupid) people can be. First of all, it’s their life, their own personal choice - what does it matter to you? My favorite comment was the one about how homosexuals are “pushing their agendas,” as to say that those who are homosexual are forcing others to be homosexual. Ha! Wait a minute! Aren’t those who are talking about how homosexuality is a sin pushing their religious agendas just as much (if not more…yes, more)? Interesting. And the comment about homosexuality being a mental disorder? Hello! It’s no longer 1973. It was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual because of empirical evidence that it was NOT a mental disorder, although it never should have been considered a mental disorder in the first place. Overall, I just can’t believe how those who are part of religions that pride themselves in being kind, generous, etc. - aka “Good Christians” (or whatever the religion may be) - can at the same time be so ignorant and close-minded.
Jessica on September 16th, 2011 at 3:24 am | Link
I personally watch HGTV for the design, not for the hosts or the guests. I am a straight married Christian woman, who adores David Bromstad’s show! I think a designer should be on the show based on their talent and boy does he have it! He has incredible style sense, and yes, he happens to be gay. I dont care if he’s gay, straight, black, white, mentally handicapped or gifted- if they are a good designer- I want to see their skills showcased! People NOTICE gay couples or designers on the show more because it’s not the norm. An episode doesnt come on and everyone goes “OH MY GOD! THAT COUPLE IS STRAIGHT!!!!” Nor should they freak out if the couple is gay. If the design is good and teaches me something I want to apply to my own home, it was a great show in my book!
Kritt on September 19th, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Link
My comment is why is there so much House Hunters International??? It is interesting sometimes, but not all the time. The houses are way below par, the prices are outrageous and I don’t mean to offend but if you took a couple to a house like one of those “International Houses” it would be a makeover show and a pretty big one at that. COME ON… Enough already. If we are going to see international houses make them worth watching.
One other thing, I love Design Star, I do… but please give them a little more time so we can see some beautiful work instead of the rushed designs. It’s a design show stop being so cheap I want to see great designs not people being rushed to finish.
Oh yea, I almost forgot; what is with all the contemporary design? Why is there hardly any traditional. In my opinion traditional is beautiful. You also leave out many other designs and shove contemporary down our throats. Contemporary is nice sometimes but give it a rest already. Nothing bothers me more that when you find an old bungalow from the 1920’s (that is well maintained) and the guy with the computer redesigns it and makes it contemporary - Uck.
I don’t want to sound ungrateful, I love HGTV!!! I love Curb Appeal, Candace Olson, I love Genevive too even though she uses too much gray in my opinion. Yard Crashers is great Design on a dime misses the mark for me, but that’s just me. Property Brothers is one of my favorites as well.
Toni on September 23rd, 2011 at 8:57 pm | Link
Gay or Straight… who cares. Being gay is not for me, but it is not my right to discriminate against others who may be. I just was curious as to why HGTV features such a high percentage of homosexuality. I understand the designers and such, but even shows like House Hunters seem to focus on a very high percentage of gay couples. Its fine–just didn’t know if they have a ‘gay agenda’ or if it more coincidental. Either way, the bible-pusher anti-gays are REALLY getting on my nerves… Just because you need to use religion as a crutch to deal with your life, does NOT give you the right to hate others based solely on the words of a fictional book, you idiots.
Tim on October 20th, 2011 at 6:46 pm | Link
then don’t watch… simple as that.
Guy on October 29th, 2011 at 7:36 pm | Link
I realized HGTV was pushing this agenda when I saw “what you get for the money’ and in one episode, 2 of 3 ‘couples’, were gay. ?? It’s really creepy to be highlighting gays what seems like every 3rd show on that network. I’m very uncomfortable that.
I enjoy the renovations, but we’re not alone in going elsewhere for entertainment. This is sad.
You can’t be married if you’re of the same sex. You can’t change the rules because you don’t like them. If you want civil union - fine. But ‘Marriage’ is a union of man & woman by definition; not some other combination.
Add an electron to H2O and it’s no longer Water any more. Henry and Darrius, I agree with you. It’s not our desire or place to dislike homosexuals, but their behavior will their undoing, which is most unfortunate for them.
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On the show property virgin, it is way too common to see two men who are “partners” looking to purchase. It is not an accurate picture of reality.I believe the folks running this network are trying to promote a lifestyle that is clearly sinful according to the Bible, which I believe is the infallable word of God. The Bible says sin is sin-there is no degree-we ALL fall short,but the good news is Jesus paid for ALL sin on the cross.No matter what you’ve ever said,thought or done, it is covered by the Blood of Jesus Christ once you make a sincere decision to put your faith and trust in Him and ask Jesus to enter your Heart. Do it today, before it’s too late-It will be the best decision you ever made.What have you got to lose?
witness on December 21st, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Link
is hgtv..only supposed to promote bible believers and how they believe people are supposed to live according to king james? why are fundamentalists trying to use this message board and topic to evangelize others? that is not what it’s for. so..who are the better-those bible people who are fault finding of others who don’t live accordingly and who don’t live saintly lives themselves..or those hgtv people who are trying to help others live happy lives and independent lives and helping out in society actually by having jobs that help promote so many businesses and people in our society?
kerry on December 21st, 2011 at 9:18 pm | Link
Maybe you and your “friends” should refrain from watching tv. Your children might learn something that is not in line with “your way of thinking”. This show is about real estate, NOT sex! Your comment is so neanderthal as is your English. Maybe, instead of complaining about tv not adhering to “your standards” you should try taking an English class so you have half the education of the very people you discriminate against!
Erica on December 27th, 2011 at 10:44 am | Link
Wow. Great grammar. Great insight. You just proved why it is important that children are raised by people of all lifestyles who have open minds. I pray for your children.
j on January 4th, 2012 at 11:46 pm | Link
You have to be kidding me. He doth protest too much. Maybe you need to take a deeper look inside your own closet. Sounds like you might be in some inner termoil about some unresolved issuess….Yep. that sums it right up…..
Glenn on February 1st, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Link
For my brothers and sisters I do apologize now for stooping down to their level. Who says “he who is with OUT sin cast the first stone”??? Oh that’s right the guy on the cross with a loin cloth and six pack! Don’t hate because most people that come from your side of the tracks don’t know oh let’s see? Fashion, Art, Music. Oh that’s it culture. Let’s send people around the world to destroy other people’s culture because they are sinners. Let’s not watch TV show because the gays are on it. Well the facts are in, we make more money than you now and know how to spend it. Congratulation US economics wins again.
Lee on February 18th, 2012 at 7:36 am | Link
In regard to all the comments about the percent of the population being “gay”, Me, a straight father of 2 and married has this personal take on the subject, keeping in mind I have nothing against any lifestyle, race, etc. That being said: In this day and age with all the interracial male/female unions, there are an extremely large amount of very attractive offsprings being produced and sex seems to just follow attractive people, so most just want to try “differant” things out just because it is theirs for the taking, so if you want to include “gay” as a few encouters with the same sex, I would assume the percentage is much larger just because the oportunity is everywhere and can’t be helped.(I am not speaking from my own experience, I was not that physically blessed to fit into that catagory) it’s how I see it from the outside.
BEN on March 22nd, 2012 at 10:31 am | Link
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Jean Bidstrup on April 5th, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Link
I agree.
Television programming in the year 2012 is overflowing with sexual subject matter - and suggestions of sex at the very least. For a family, or an educated adult looking for something intellectually stimulating, it sure gets old.
Now, almost everybody has an interest in sex, it’s a great thing, and I love it too, but it turns up far too often on television - to the point that I feel it is driven down my throat (no pun or fun intended), and if it’s happening to me, it’s happening to everybody, including my kids and your kids - and that my modest friends, infuriates me.
When it comes to homosexuals, I personally don’t view their human behavior when behind closed doors as deviant, but many times they can be big-time in your face w/ it - and THAT is something that makes me angry. And I’m not speaking just to homosexuals, for everybody - homo and hetero - just do it privately and leave me out of it (unless I specifically ask). I don’t even want to think about you getting your jollies (unless I specifically ask). I for damn sure don’t want my kids thinking about you getting your jollies, no matter what.
I want everybody to be able to enjoy all of the rights and privileges afforded (and that should be afforded) us ALL under the law, but at the same time, I don’t want my own rights trampled on by someone that refuses to recognize my family’s rights to entertainment without sexual ly suggestive content. In the case of HGTV, I don’t feel they are using sex to sell in the usual way, but I think they might be going overboard in their effort to include all walks.
Mike on April 7th, 2012 at 8:01 am | Link
I keep seeing postings by anti gays..on here. I know lots of anti gay people christian and non..sit and watch tv soaps and some are addicted to them with all their sexcapades going on in them..cheating..adulterty with heterosexuals..betrayal and even some murders…and these people who watch these soaps and other violent tv programs and harsh programming on tv..have the audacity to complain about adult gay and lesbian couples ..fully dressed and looking nice ..and not even holding hands or kissing..just looking for homes to make their residences…
kerry on April 7th, 2012 at 11:31 am | Link
I started recording Candice Olson decorating shows a few months ago, and notice she was decorating almost exclusively for inter racial couples. Then I found these comments about Gay couples. It would make more sense to me if she decorated for an even cross section of society rather than attempting to push her obviously liberal agenda. I am tuning in for the decorating and not a moral lecture on how she wants to redecorate society in the image she wants to force. I think that is a bit of arrogance that doesn’t match her happy-go-lucky theatrics.
Veronica on April 18th, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Link
This is so sad…..
Me on May 13th, 2012 at 8:50 pm | Link
I agree that there is too much man/man and woman/woman shown on HGTV. I have no problem with what anyone does in their own home, but don’t thnk it should be broadcast on tv. (at least without a disclaimer beforehand) my kids don’t need to see that. If it’s going to be shown, at least let us know ahead of time, and we can chose to change the channel.
Bobby Johnson on May 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Link
Bottom line is this….if my Christianity can’t be shoved down your throat, then your homosexuality can’t be shoved down mine!! Get it??? It should ALL be neutral! It doesn’t take a rocket scientists to figure out what the Christians are saying. You don’t want to see our lifestyle and we don’t want to see yours!
Barbara on July 17th, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Link
AMEN!!! Gay agenda is pushed down our throats CONSTANTLY and I for one am SICK of it!!!!! If you want to practice that lifestyle put it BACK INTO THE CLOSET…..NOBODY wants to SEE it!!!! :/
Becky on August 7th, 2012 at 11:32 am | Link
Tolerance - ever hear that word before? You preach religion but clearly have not read your bible. It is not for you to judge! Someone else will do it when the time comes. Take your home-schooled, spoiled rotten, mealy mouthed little angels out of the closet and start preparing them for the big bad world! Your narrow minded parenting skills are going to end up harming them in the end.
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mainstreetgal.com on October 14th, 2012 at 10:30 am | Link
My biggest complaint are all the white women with other race men. It gets annoying. Like I was watching “Shop this room”, and why was EVERY couple interracial…. first episode was white and white, then it went downhill from there, lol… white woman latino man, white woman, indian man, white woman and black man. Like really??? Really HGTV? So you couldn’t find an asian woman with a white man or a black woman with a white man, or idk a latino woman with asian guy, something else.
It gets sooooooooooo hackneyed. To the point that I feel like the person casting is clearly a white woman involved in an interracial marriage, probably black.
Lets see more other race women with white men. Or non-white women with other race men (not just black guys, lol)…. its like HGTV has no true since of diversity everything is some white chick with some black guy…..
Emily on October 29th, 2012 at 7:27 am | Link
How did this turn into the ever-ending conversation of religion and life. It’s no about whether its right or wrong to be queer. Its not about what religion you are. The issue is that there are a lot, to many, gay couples on HGTV. As if its a new fashion being pushed by a designer. Okay, we know there are gays buying homes. Do they buy 50% of them like your shows represents. Enough with the gays in our face.
James on November 25th, 2012 at 9:24 pm | Link
Heterosexual sex is so boring and women are all about endless flirting and drama. Enjoy more and better sex; ditch the bitch and make switch.
Scooter on November 29th, 2012 at 11:02 am | Link
I have been reading this discussion all morning since I too have a problem with people with a different sexual preference from the norm, outwardly expressing their feelings to each other. Where do we stop condoning things that we all have been taught is wrong. Where does this stop? If those of you who think they are gay and think that people are slashing you I don’t really see this here. Sure there are a few who should just go away from this discussion, but for the most people are not saying you are a bad person, just that they don’t agree with your ways. If indeed you think that people should not be judged because of a sexual preference, then where do we stop? Does that mean that being a pedophile, because this is a sexual preference, is ok? Wouldn’t all of us be offended if they were on a show and expressing there feelings to a child? Be honest now, you ALL would be appalled.
I lost a loved one to Aids and all I could wonder is, would he still be alive today if he would have sought help instead of listening to those who say “You are Gay so accept it”? We ALL can be brain washed into thinking and believing things. Maybe what people are telling you is wrong and you are just accepting it because it makes you feel better about what you do. I would ask that if you have even the littlest doubt in your mind about your sexuality, try to get a professional opinion. There should be no harm in getting a second opinion. I now people who have sought help and realized that were wrong.
I sincerely wish the best to anyone who may be dealing with the issues being discussed here.
I do not want to offend anyone, but I too have chosen not to watch HGTV’s shows that show openly sexual innuendos from the same sex. I have nothing wrong with the hosts because they have gay tenancies. Just as most here, I am offended by the actions of some that try to force us to accept something that we feel is wrong.
Sorry HGTV but you lost me.
Me2 on January 6th, 2013 at 9:28 am | Link
My son is a homosexual so I feel like I can easily say I agree about being tired of seeing homosexuals on your programs. No I’m not homophobic. I love my son, and he lives quite openly in his lifestyle, but I don’t, as a Christian agree with homosexuality. I do not hate anyone, I try to treat people with love and respect so please don’t get all bent out of shape and think I’m a “gay basher “. God loves us ALL, and He expects me to love everyone. To love doesn’t mean to agree with.
I do turn the channel on these programs simply because I have my rights too and my Christian beliefs disagree with that lifestyle. I simply change the station quite frequently I must say. I will continue to do so.
Sandra on January 16th, 2013 at 6:35 am | Link
“My son is a homosexual” you are an old man troll! Trolls use the insulting “a homosexual” vs. “gay.” Go take you and your bible and your gay Jesus and shove it.
I’ve read quite a few comments both homosexual and Christian, there were some ugly foolish words spoken in many of the posts I read.
I most definitely read some hate, discuss, anger, and for sure bashing.
Christians are based every time we speak our religious beliefs. We are the ones who are treated with disgust. We are laughed at and criticized, all the things we believe has been sued and declared illegal. We can’t say Jesus in many public places anymore, but we must be “tolerant “of others. We can’t pray in public, but we must be extra cautious that we don’t step on a Muslim’s PRAYER MAT!!! Don’t carry my Bible, but in order to avoid offence. Let Muslims bow down over the koran. You can’t talk about the joy of a happy relationship with your husband or wife, without someone bringing up the subject of homosexual marriages. IF WE CHRISTIANS ARE SOOOOOOO BADDDDD, WHY DO YOU WANT WHAT GOD GAVE TO HIS CHILDREN? MARRIAGE!! If homosexuals would stop bashing us and leave our rights alone. Marriage is between one man and one woman. That’s Scripture so why do y’all want it? Ill tell you, simply because it’s ours. Given to us by our Heavenly Father. Sandra B.
Sandra on January 16th, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Link
I started following this months ago. I happen to be a gay guy myself and I’m really happy that HGTV shows all sorts of couples who happen to be involved in remodeling DIT, selling homes etc. I just had’nt gotten around to deleting this thread but wow all this drama over a nice couple who happen to be gay, and such uproar by some of you cretins just because HGTV isn’t as small minded as some of you, so I’m glad I have kept getting these updates. I’ll weigh in here. ” My Biggest Complaint ” would be that in this day and age in 2013 we still have so many people who want to try and deny the right to legitimize our relationships with our partners and yet at the same time would prefer to think of us as non existent, people who don’t matter, or prefer to portray us as people incapable of healthy, loving, albeit sometimes boring just regular lives like everyone else. You can’ have it both ways. Kudos to HGTV for not giving in to to some who want to vilify some people just because of their religious upbringing and misinterpretation of what god and love mean. Love wins out it always has and it always will. Thanks to the many people who have voiced there support in HGTV being fair to ALL of us.
CMatt on January 16th, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Link
Oh and for all those folks out there truly troubled simply because of intolerant religious beliefs I sincerely wish that you might take about 30 minutes out of your life and perhaps watch ” For the Bible Tells Me So”. It is really a very interesting documentary that looks at the claims that being gay is in any way against God or Religion by interviewing many religious scholars from many different backgrounds. Remember people Hate does and has killed. This is a very interesting documentary and you can watch it for free. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/for-the-bible-tells-me-so/
CMatt on January 16th, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Link
You homos and homo lovers make me sick..It will never be accepted and it makes me throw up with your faggy talk and mannerisms and the Butch ellen Degenerate look…Totally sickening
richie on January 25th, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Link
I am so glad you live such a saintly life and repent constantlhy to make yourself in good with god..and that you don’t violate all the other verses in leviticus.
kerry on January 26th, 2013 at 9:31 am | Link
well richie..thank you:) sorry I havent arrived at the perfect level in life you have…my appologies
kerry on January 26th, 2013 at 9:32 am | Link
This is an old post, but I have to say….. gays are awesome! THAT’S why we are bursting out on every show!
Same sex relationships ARE natural. It is ever so common in the animal kingdom, some monogamous animals species spend their entire life with the same sex. Sexuality is fluid. Lesbians and gays WILL have equality. It is only a matter of time.
Karen on January 26th, 2013 at 8:42 pm | Link
Thanks Karen. As for Kerry wow what a backwoods cretin you must be, a real troglodyte cave dwelling asshole for the ages. Incredibly stupid I can only hope you are as most from people are that share your views as hard on yourself as you want to be on others. That’s the thing about biggots and bible thumping assholes, they don’t usually just hate others they always hate themselves, so carry on and may you burn out very soon in a vast flame from spontaneous combustion AMEN!!!
CMatt on January 27th, 2013 at 1:58 pm | Link
To be fair, which what we all really want isn’t it?!?!….
Instead of having an gay / alternative living HGTV agenda every other show lets have the shows where the alternative lifestyles are spotlighted be the same percentage they are in real life…. A small minority.
That’s fair and representative.
The pendulum has again has swung too far the other way now!!!
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vacation bible school crafts on March 15th, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Link
Love the people but hate the sin. It’s hard to separate. I have loved these shows and so does my wife. A year ago HGTV was not so saturated with gay couples once and a while was not as bad as it is now. I now refer to it as the Homo TV show. It is mostly gays. What happened. This is the world. We have stopped watching this shows now.
Gary Boulware on March 16th, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Link
there are many many heterosexual couples who are just living together and yet you anti gays don’t mention anything about that. how many heterosexual couples look for homes to buy that are not married or plan to marry..yet you anti gays don’t say a word about that with all your morals.
kerry on March 17th, 2013 at 6:59 am | Link
@vacation bible school..you said hgtv is mostly gays now? from your perspective it is..how many heterosexual unmarried couples buy houses or use hgtv to remodel the ones they are already in..and yet you say nothing about them..because your focus and or obsession is on the gays.
kerry on March 17th, 2013 at 7:01 am | Link
how many of the anti gay people who comment on here..will sit and watch soaps which have adult couples cheating lying-even killing others for whatever reasons-all the mind control and manipulation which is glorified on these soaps and yet how many anti gay people watch these drama sin shows and support the actors by buying the products advertised and don’t blink an eye about it.
kerry on March 17th, 2013 at 7:06 am | Link
Being I am a straight/single guy, first, I don’t know how religion got involved in this topic, second, I really doubt gay/straight, black/white, etc. will have an impact on kids watching this network. The content, (home-improvement) is little or no interest to them anyway, (they probably don’t even watch it. What does bother me however is almost all the gay couples on these shows are well-to-do, leading the high-end lifestyle. Of course money would be no object to them when threre are 2 incomes comming in every week and nobody to support. These shows should be directed to the middle-class who could really benefit from the low-cost ideas. That being said, I don’t care what color you are, your sexual preferance is, etc., but why don’t they show just regular mid-income people on who can benefit from the help.
Ben DeCarlo on March 17th, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Link
I was watching HGTV this morning and the next show started. Of course it was a couple of gay guys. I am really sick to death of HGTV shoving their gay/lesbian agenda on me. I DID change the channel. Not sure if I would watch again. Think I will start watching DIY on my computer. Enough ALREADY!
Jerry on March 24th, 2013 at 8:25 am | Link
Well, Jerry…do you watch any of the soaps on tv? do you listen to gossip from or about others or gossip yourself? Do you talk negativly about anyone else?
kerry on March 24th, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Link
I am tired of every other show featuring a gay or lesbian couple. What exactly is the purpose of trying to make people believe one out of every 2 or 3 couples is not heterosexual? I am done. Turning the channel and never looking back.
Goodbye gay and lesbian tv!
steph on April 1st, 2013 at 9:06 pm | Link
Steph..do you watch tv programming that promotes lying and cheating and infidelity and verbal and mental and emotional abuse?
kerry on April 2nd, 2013 at 1:15 am | Link
Careful dear…yours are the type of children that come from a bigoted and intolerant family that go on killing sprees. Wake up and smell the coffee…LIVE AND LET LIVE!
Crystal on April 18th, 2013 at 8:31 pm | Link
Oh Steph dear…turn off the TV and go back to deep frying something in your double wide!
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OMG, the people that say that being gay is a sin, well so is molesting little boys (Catholics) and so is screwing your neighbors wives or your secretary (all religions) It is maybe 1 in 10 couples that are gay on HGTV. They have maybe 3 or 4 gay hosts. And who cares. How far back in time do you people want to go. Be progressive and treat all equal. I never thought I would come out of the closet because of all the negativity i heard growing up from my dad and brother. My brother was in the Navy and he and all his friends embraced me and treated me equal when i came out and love my gay friends. I do not push my sex life in anyones face and I do not want anyone straight or gay pushing their sex life in my face. Leave HGTV alone they do such great things!
Ian on May 17th, 2013 at 12:55 am | Link